Re: [Hipsec] Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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From: Miika Komu <miika.komu@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [Hipsec] Martin Duke's Discuss on draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Martin,

ke, 2020-07-15 kello 23:16 -0700, Martin Duke via Datatracker
kirjoitti:
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> Sec 4.2 and 4.6.2 specify a minimum of RTO of 500ms. There’s no way
> you would
> know this,  but draft-ietf-tcpm-rto-consider is close to IESG
> approval and
> specifies a minimum of 1 second without more information about the
> path. I
> would prefer that we change these minimums but perhaps there’s a
> compelling
> reason for 500ms?

just to be sure, we're talking about UDP tunnels here. 500 ms is what
ICE uses and I believe QUIC (?) has maybe even more aggressive values?

Anyway, I have changed the value to 1000 ms as you requested and added 
draft-ietf-tcpm-rto-consider as normative reference.

>  RFC 5770 is a normative downref. I couldn’t find indication the
> procedures in
>  RFC 3967 or 4897 were followed to address this. One solution would
> be to
>  downgrade this document to Experimental.

now it's Experimental:

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-hip-native-nat-traversal-32

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> Thank you for an easy-to-read document.

thanks for your comments!