Re: [Hls-interest] Inclusive Language

John Luther <jluther@jwplayer.com> Thu, 23 July 2020 20:23 UTC

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:22:37 -0400
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Index has some precedent as the "starting point" of a content
tree (index.html, etc.), but I'd be fine with Content Playlist.

JL


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:15 PM Law, Will <wilaw=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
wrote:

> ‘index’ is an overloaded term and the current ‘master’ playlist doesn’t
> actually provide an index (i.e an ordinal entry) in to anything. It simply
> lists the media playlists that are available and in so doing describes the
> content of what is available. Given that “rendition” also has a creepy
> second (and common) meaning, I’d go with the terms “content playlist” and
> “media playlist”.
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> -Will
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> *From: *John Luther <jluther=40jwplayer.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 12:27 PM
> *To: *Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> *Cc: *John Bartos <bartsjb=40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org>, "
> hls-interest@ietf.org" <hls-interest@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Hls-interest] Inclusive Language
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> JW Player supports the renaming, preferring Index and Media.
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> JL
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:47 PM Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=
> 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> I would support this change in naming.
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:41 AM John Bartos <bartsjb=
> 40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> I'd like to start a discussion about inclusive language in the HLS spec.
> At Twitch we are committed to using inclusive engineering terms. We believe
> that inclusive language creates an environment where everyone feels welcome
> and supported.
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> As we've spread this awareness across the tech we use, I've noticed that
> the HLS spec uses the word "master" in a way which implies master/slave. I
> see this as contrary to our goals of inclusivity. It seems that we have
> already acknowledged this by changing "slave" to "child", but that is only
> a half measure.
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> I'd like to see us do better. I expressed the above to the #video-dev
> community where I received broad support and some new ideas. Among them are:
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>    - Main
>    - Index
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> And for child:
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>    - Media
>    - Rendition
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> Let me know what you all think. Thanks to everyone who has offered input
> and support so far. I'm looking forward to a productive discussion.
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> - John
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