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"Law, Will" <wilaw@akamai.com> Thu, 23 July 2020 20:15 UTC

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From: "Law, Will" <wilaw@akamai.com>
To: Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, John Bartos <bartsjb=40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org>, John Luther <jluther=40jwplayer.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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‘index’ is an overloaded term and the current ‘master’ playlist doesn’t actually provide an index (i.e an ordinal entry) in to anything. It simply lists the media playlists that are available and in so doing describes the content of what is available. Given that “rendition” also has a creepy second (and common) meaning, I’d go with the terms “content playlist” and “media playlist”.

-Will



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From: John Luther <jluther=40jwplayer.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 12:27 PM
To: Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: John Bartos <bartsjb=40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org>, "hls-interest@ietf.org" <hls-interest@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Hls-interest] Inclusive Language

JW Player supports the renaming, preferring Index and Media.

JL


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:47 PM Joey Parrish <joeyparrish=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
I would support this change in naming.


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:41 AM John Bartos <bartsjb=40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40justin.tv@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote:
Hi All,

I'd like to start a discussion about inclusive language in the HLS spec. At Twitch we are committed to using inclusive engineering terms. We believe that inclusive language creates an environment where everyone feels welcome and supported.

As we've spread this awareness across the tech we use, I've noticed that the HLS spec uses the word "master" in a way which implies master/slave. I see this as contrary to our goals of inclusivity. It seems that we have already acknowledged this by changing "slave" to "child", but that is only a half measure.

I'd like to see us do better. I expressed the above to the #video-dev community where I received broad support and some new ideas. Among them are:

  *   Main
  *   Index
And for child:

  *   Media
  *   Rendition

Let me know what you all think. Thanks to everyone who has offered input and support so far. I'm looking forward to a productive discussion.

- John
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