Re: [homegate] [fun] HOMENET working group proposal

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 30 June 2011 23:10 UTC

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I think this is a great WG proposal and I fully support it's creation.

However my ISP is telling me that it has sufficient pool of IPv4 
addresses for the min next 5-10 years so rolling v6 for residential 
users is completely not that much appealing to him.

IETF can build many specs recommending v6 deployments, protocol 
extensions and network architectures. Unfortunately before the day  when 
there is first attractive real content available online _only_ via v6 or 
when there is new killer app which works only over v6 I think the world 
will become more and more fragmented into islands of v4, v4v6 and v6 only.

The issue is not technical here and IETF will not I am afraid be able to 
fix it.

The issue is purely business driven and till all providers get clear 
message from their users that they must have v6 as they can not google 
anymore, pay their bills, use new fancy holographic movie downloader app 
(just as examples) the migration towards v6 may take not 10 but 50 to 
100 years.

Cheers,
R.