Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Fri, 04 October 2019 06:20 UTC
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From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping devices...
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2019, Ole Troan wrote: > Ted, > > [top posting] > > RFC7084 does not have any support for internal routers. While this is true, OpenWrt does support DHCPv6-PD within the home, out of the box. I also have a report of AVN Fritzbox supporting sub-PD without additional configuration. In all devices I've looked at the WAN is WAN, it comes up with firewalls on, requests PD etc, and if it doesn't get it then there is no GUA IPv6 on LAN. In my opinion the work in homenet could be leveraged into an operational document where recommendations on what parts of homenet could be easily implemented to make it work within a home (without implementing everything), thinking primarily of "firewall off" and "service discovery proxy on". If no PD was available, turn ethertype 0x86dd bridging on between LAN and WAN. I guess we would still need to do NAT44 because without HNCP there wouldn't be a route to the IPv4 network on LAN of the "sub-router". It would however mean that a printer on the sub-router LAN could be reached over IPv6. In order for this to happen without HNCP then this sub-router would need to send RAs on its WAN announcing reachability to its LAN IPv6 prefix (either GUA+ULA if PD is available, otherwise just ULA). I have never seen RA guard or similar functions in residential equipment, so I would expect this to work. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
- [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping device… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Timothy Winters
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Mark Smith
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ole Troan
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… RayH
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… RayH
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… RayH
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Support for RFC 7084 on shipping de… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)