Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 16 June 2016 23:54 UTC
Return-Path: <mellon@fugue.com>
X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B4312D185 for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.6
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9zED1V4s7TU for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:54:24 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B68B212DDC6 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id q132so50239983lfe.3 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:54:23 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fugue-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+ocvXWZVk74Zyg1cqOqgPM4Tr2PrloIxB0a2vrS7Qik=; b=hPGfKM8zIWhs6um3YHrvuIYYqpRSbejSnACkNDtNmVLaQP/8uqiwWqqMOT3XU3GUNb h9nRcx9D7CNksXgsVQWWhxaH9mGRGUZPxfmB6A31CUE03k3s766R9ndEXpnJAhuHRYXD 6weuxFg+2J5Kl1hcoP81GVa9iLm/BiKBPDY6SMfZHq3fFRW0yDIDW0kDAzUla0Emk+7t 5XAZ3vRJWJ1dRYBU6N3iIcHlvA7DoSTikZOg63oPKUeq1I4fvdFT06+AqvRwHfYIXcvY G+7ew36GVi5eGQ4ewIiX9RA0lyRPWqdOe9UVECHOb6x9jooZxg/irCKEQvlW+6Ka0oHA cs/A==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+ocvXWZVk74Zyg1cqOqgPM4Tr2PrloIxB0a2vrS7Qik=; b=ENkWRvzdq1QHkOwRPcATACJfAaB2/gvL/z3nWRS9yOYcE2l+js65OZgaYRpQ+s+GcE Qpd0lPEsH8LWCc7jSyBaXNYKIWwpmztkTyxaul2a7yknXkzOvDpdkNx7k7anbbxhZbCB NgKuHo5bCQK3AZZHjJxSk62VROG2tHFD5mL/eQ7/vgXBbUF4HpwBhagSRWqd80fVpREh pN5bSwxp/4UA7ixWXioRxyY1NScxnskx1/BpI335zmLdJteVGdlED5NRsmVqoXodUGUs T++hCz7ynSjrdPOTEyfbWPJbdpYY9sxjen7dSl9gpEsgdca7pB4xZV13+qUXVkQgv0g5 ANYw==
X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tI+ReKVOT+K6fmw1UB6e+ILXpR86G3IK98PpkUmeZSUC+wNJpdXS+Yix1UemRpoo62Wy1XgSuhtzw1b7A==
X-Received: by 10.25.210.20 with SMTP id j20mr1902613lfg.139.1466121261811; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:54:21 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.25.153.135 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:53:42 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <87porgafsq.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
References: <76ed7404-35ff-9cc8-262b-d5785595465c@isc.org> <4598.1466104881@obiwan.sandelman.ca> <87porgafsq.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 19:53:42 -0400
Message-ID: <CAPt1N1=7XE0__mG9ckJc6hb0EGHK4QE93_+Eqi6Gg7Mf05cXdQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114003c602232805356df5e7"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/homenet/1A1jmsNjPTqFG0CTfkNDorEGqfY>
Cc: HOMENET <homenet@ietf.org>, Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home
X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list <homenet.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/homenet/>
List-Post: <mailto:homenet@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:54:27 -0000
Those who come from cultures that speak languages descended from older or different roots might challenge the universality of that proposal. Perhaps they might argue in favor of .kotiin or .घर. I don't think there is a correct answer to this. .local has worked, which is the best we can hope for with whatever name we come up with. If i18n motivates different names depending on the UI language, that will be a problem. If we really think that the name shouldn't be in english, which is a position to which I can certainly relate, it probably shouldn't be a word in any language. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek < jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr> wrote: > > Where THING is the local translation of "home". > > Let us please not open this particular can of worms: > > - how does software running on my laptop, which just connected to an > unknown network, find out what is the local translation of "home"? > > - how does a user, even one who knows the local language, find out which > of the possible translations of "home" is the right one? (What should > it be for Greek? oikos? opiti? You are allowed to consult speakers > of Greek, but you must get them to reach consensus before the end of > the week.) > > - how do I type οίκος on my French keyboard? > > There's some precedent for this kind of problems -- Outlook used to > (incorrectly) internationalise the prefix "Re:" in e-mail replies. Since > software couldn't be expected to know all of the Microsoftese for "Re", > you'd end up with subject lines such as "Re: Rép: Antw: Odp: ...". > (Re, of course, is Latin for "about such thing", not the abbreviation of > "reply".) > > (The right choice for Homenet, of course, is ".domus". Although, now that > I think about it, RFC 1034 doesn't mention whether domain names are in the > nominative or the locative, so perhaps we should also consider ".domo".) > > -- Juliusz > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet >
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Peter Koch
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Erik Kline
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Jacques Latour
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home avri doria
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Pierre Pfister
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Edmon Chung
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Edmon Chung
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Joe Touch
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Joe Touch
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Edmon Chung
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Joe Touch
- [homenet] alternatives to .home Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Tim Wicinski
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Ralph Droms
- [homenet] RFC 7788-bis Ray Bellis
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis (and also draft-cheshi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis (and also draft-cheshi… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] RFC 7788-bis (and also draft-cheshi… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Joe Touch
- Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home Ralph Droms