Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> Tue, 24 October 2017 05:07 UTC

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Thread-Topic: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers
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Subject: Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers
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Hi James,

I included HNCP in RFC7084-bis following your request :-(

So even if I’d only a couple of answers, I think it we are on the right track …

So, concentrating in homenet.

Do, repeating my 2nd questions, do we believe we need a specific document HOMENET document to suggest to include in CE, or to say how to do it, or whatever?

Maybe it is interesting, if the chairs agree, to include this question in the WG agenda for the next meeting?

Regards,
Jordi
 

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De: homenet <homenet-bounces@ietf.org> en nombre de james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>
Responder a: <jhw@google.com>
Fecha: lunes, 23 de octubre de 2017, 22:12
Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es>, HOMENET <homenet@ietf.org>
Asunto: Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

    On Oct 23, 2017, at 00:48, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
    
    
    Now, in this version I’ve NOT included the HNCP support as a requirement, however I still mention it as:
    
    The end-user network is a stub network, in the sense that is not
       providing transit to other external networks.  However, HNCP
       ([RFC7788]) allows support for automatic provisioning of downstream
       routers.  Figure 1 illustrates the model topology for the end-user
       network.
    
    Now, the questions I’ve for this WG is:
    
    1) Do you think I should mention other homenet documents ?
    2) Do you think we should have a specific homenet document requiring the support of homenet for IPv6 CE routers, so for example this becomes an integral part of testing by ISPs, IPv6 Ready Logo, or even RFQs, etc.?
    
    I will be happy to work in a homenet document if we believe that 2 above is needed. Anyone else interested?
    
    
    
    
    
    I think it would be better if you leave aside all mention of HOMENET protocols from the RFC 7084-bis draft. That document is mainly intended for first-mile internet service providers, and I think the less the have to say about how residential networks operate behind the demarcation point at the edge of their networks, the better for everyone. This would give HOMENET optimal freedom to write standards for interoperability of devices intended for home networks without having to get mired in the tar pit of dealing with first-mile internet service provider stuff.
    
    
    --james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>
    
    
    
    
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