IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [homenet] Simple Naming and DNS Privacy

"Border, John" <John.Border@hughes.com> Wed, 28 March 2018 19:07 UTC

Return-Path: <prvs=062512d683=john.border@hughes.com>
X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0151F1274D2 for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -0.711
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.711 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=1.989, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=hughes.com header.b=J+KDpZzx; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=hughes.com header.b=tpJMKxTU
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kOg_aqetbXEN for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:07:18 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx0b-00115402.pphosted.com (mx0b-00115402.pphosted.com [148.163.153.174]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAD291275AB for <homenet@ietf.org>; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 12:07:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from pps.filterd (m0118427.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00115402.pphosted.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w2SJ2JNr020294; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:12 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hughes.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : mime-version; s=3152018; bh=M5wEQ58RPjJXPbnDcjBoiIaAwCh6hMqhyIAWlztRL1k=; b=J+KDpZzxWrOFaQQbs7ji/fwxo7QP/TISLKjUjYJ1hSMxXlOsAPJI5DMlLeallet9Tmyr kH96iwHFcT/FKxkYoCUwyAFnYD8eY4C/hguO/iy+JScQKi5vKChbMB66DRLVcvo7P4jM Qan1b2lCPhhA24Sg4hmR+R5gDBy5Dvul+JYYFL6rNtmZeMwkCkxV6DsHR7TKNPdw+f0b XWuNQULN8IIA7/pBBqJ2ENJ5zP7/pFnVEfxheIT1oSAHgL85LNDjcWXkYylo/o0K4S+l svNfiSE5qXkw9dEd1KlUMT/0YQ365vKdsVI8oefvM1+ZxlhF+XMFBA2dh7EBYIkA9spq tw==
Received: from nam01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2nam01lp0181.outbound.protection.outlook.com [216.32.181.181]) by mx0b-00115402.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2gy8d10ens-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:12 +0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hughes.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=M5wEQ58RPjJXPbnDcjBoiIaAwCh6hMqhyIAWlztRL1k=; b=tpJMKxTU1LYAtwYd0b0iF8ArucMPJlFaqDpnaciG04031ZX8oaa64cB3PDbqoyekletWV+mi0I2pZk2gSL6IghsvMHWWwoQovkh2VGAiGojQu9d9X2Zz5cDTD1FckS7A6+RJTcSUSqdDx6nVA90TzTWdC4L50LV9NOPsNhr1O7Y=
Received: from DM3PR1101MB1087.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.164.196.19) by DM3PR1101MB1133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.164.196.135) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P256) id 15.20.631.10; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:09 +0000
Received: from DM3PR1101MB1087.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::ddd1:5e15:6644:b52d]) by DM3PR1101MB1087.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::ddd1:5e15:6644:b52d%13]) with mapi id 15.20.0609.012; Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:09 +0000
From: "Border, John" <John.Border@hughes.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
CC: HOMENET <homenet@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [homenet] Simple Naming and DNS Privacy
Thread-Index: AdPCjPa3cp/g9z/gQiSp1cU56t6lvQADuB6AAQsF1qA=
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:09 +0000
Message-ID: <DM3PR1101MB1087F1F53B57212ACCA2394C90A30@DM3PR1101MB1087.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR11MB1581E35107CB4DFBBEE8DC8290A80@MWHPR11MB1581.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> <CAPt1N1n_PQqHe0bgAj_tse3UVEiSQSCvR5zbXRziTXqA57r_3Q@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAPt1N1n_PQqHe0bgAj_tse3UVEiSQSCvR5zbXRziTXqA57r_3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [139.85.223.11]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; DM3PR1101MB1133; 7:x2lGRqzl8ycve3saAzfSClYE4TWyZoMH5RPLUCZti+TKApcTrjVJ+sTEKyG2bnZ36GcPjB/dRTlic2POS0Ggxo3q5PscQbbzw4WxRGh+Dbu6auxqK/TKwScOa0/SDk0hHHmqfaueaiCdagUDzIeN0Xw8SRxiAM6I0jTaOmPxHVAlvzDcmMCoUK79YtPlD9SQoyksAOMC2wYNMAPd9JphoKJHUEjc5WTDrFePD3nd6zX98q251nMrDlOetpPwJaN9
x-ms-exchange-antispam-srfa-diagnostics: SOS;
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 2627d6be-1ccc-4396-4459-08d594df1b3e
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(7020095)(4652020)(5600026)(4604075)(3008032)(4534165)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(2017052603328)(7153060)(7193020); SRVR:DM3PR1101MB1133;
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DM3PR1101MB1133:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <DM3PR1101MB1133E11F3830E759C2A4B8E590A30@DM3PR1101MB1133.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(28532068793085)(10436049006162)(192374486261705)(21748063052155);
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(8211001083)(6040522)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(3231221)(944501327)(52105095)(3002001)(93006095)(93001095)(10201501046)(6041310)(20161123562045)(20161123560045)(201703131423095)(201702281528075)(20161123555045)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123564045)(20161123558120)(6072148)(201708071742011); SRVR:DM3PR1101MB1133; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:DM3PR1101MB1133;
x-forefront-prvs: 06259BA5A2
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(346002)(39380400002)(39860400002)(396003)(376002)(366004)(199004)(189003)(25786009)(86362001)(6246003)(6506007)(19609705001)(53546011)(186003)(4326008)(790700001)(102836004)(26005)(59450400001)(2900100001)(6436002)(68736007)(106356001)(8676002)(2906002)(81166006)(81156014)(3660700001)(105586002)(486005)(55016002)(486005)(476003)(6306002)(9686003)(478600001)(54896002)(236005)(3280700002)(14454004)(6916009)(72206003)(966005)(66066001)(3846002)(5660300001)(11346002)(446003)(7736002)(97736004)(316002)(229853002)(33656002)(76176011)(7696005)(5890100001)(5250100002)(8936002)(6116002)(53936002)(74316002)(99286004)(606006); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:DM3PR1101MB1133; H:DM3PR1101MB1087.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: hughes.com does not designate permitted sender hosts)
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: z0MUbDMfc/VjvkSyK8zVqvqMEKFz/OmjkKhCM7IqNn71ihFUpQQftuZkWpRs21/H3XyTtlSNq/J9903jTQw+/vuO/x6ygKooIq3w6sOq06/Cb+lZv7ZgcrOduB5ZjH3acWNT5uoW4YavOuSUDh4Afh7GTnpT/uBCtYwUNQZSWhoMoz7HGnoyGKfZnStFUS5voH9QDXzM9OYiWDsQfOsPyUMlOQ2atAACCmn8i9kV2Ac0p0qsaLq8yTHGsQNja7cVp6wHjgm52nLQQBMxe7pMsJfHYx8iASDkejJCkVNeSq3dj4QAtrLTNBMs0UsgJzTi5ubq+8GYT4j2O72iQ4NLOA==
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DM3PR1101MB1087F1F53B57212ACCA2394C90A30DM3PR1101MB1087_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: hughes.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 2627d6be-1ccc-4396-4459-08d594df1b3e
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Mar 2018 19:07:09.7539 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 0e1f3187-4610-4ce2-bad1-b92f4ba36ab3
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM3PR1101MB1133
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1711220000 definitions=main-1803280196
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/homenet/1iBSxag7Z9lMTg6Tu7zcr-O80yI>
Subject: Re: [homenet] Simple Naming and DNS Privacy
X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list <homenet.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/homenet/>
List-Post: <mailto:homenet@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:07:21 -0000

Makes sense to me…


From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@fugue.com]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 7:41 AM
To: Border, John <John.Border@hughes.com>
Cc: HOMENET <homenet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [homenet] Simple Naming and DNS Privacy

WARNING: The sender of this email could not be validated and may not match the person in the "From" field.
CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

I think the right way to approach this question is to try to write a security model.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 09:54 Border, John <John.Border@hughes.com<mailto:John.Border@hughes.com>> wrote:

     Does the simple naming architecture need to deal with DNS privacy using port 853?  Subject to the success of the security boundaries, the home network can be considered as already being private to some extent.  But, my devices are mobile and will move in and out of the home network and may have DNS privacy use enabled for outside use.


John


_______________________________________________
homenet mailing list
homenet@ietf.org<mailto:homenet@ietf.org>
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman_listinfo_homenet&d=DwMFaQ&c=dIKa1mMv92xhhFzVXv5A3Q&r=9F44ji63_2hvW5HufmlpP-DFKXuFy4jDtL5PXwKlTqg&m=wURh4Aew7ytCmqHZSHliUoRRqENshjEMp6P1bgiTm70&s=CIso4XJsQKCZtK-IokzCXcuZeyKqaVu8KudmE7wJPDc&e=>

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email