Re: [homenet] support for HNCP in IPv6 CE routers

[james woodyatt <[e-mail]>]

On 10/26/2017 11:39 AM, Gert Doering wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:32:44AM -0700, james woodyatt wrote:
>> Accordingly, I strongly recommend that HOMENET dispense with the "My
>> Friendly ISP" model with extreme prejudice, and adopt what I shall call
>> the "HOMENET Castle Doctrine" as a matter of working group policy.
> 
> I claim that this is a sure way to kill homenet from being ever deployed.

I would counter that relying on ISPs to adopt a HOMENET standard is 
certain to fail. They have already demonstrated that they will block any 
revision to RFC 7084 that calls for adopting even HNCP, much less the 
rest of the HOMENET protocol stack.

If you want to kill HOMENET, then make it a predicate that ISPs have to 
adopt it. That will ensure it goes nowhere at all.

> "Normal" People just don't buy a second router for their ISP link if they
> already have one, or a 3rd and 4th one if they happen to have two ISP
> links.
> 
> So, what do we think a future home network for normal people is going to
> look like?

I think "normal" people don't even want to buy the 1st router for their 
ISP link. What they want to do is have the ISP link go straight to their 
internet-connected device. Like a smart phone does. When you buy a new 
device, you buy a new ISP link for it.

The protocols we are developing here in HOMENET are for the tiny 
minority of people who prefer to build their own home networks instead 
of just plumbing their ISP directly up to every device in their home. To 
facilitate that model, the HOMENET Castle Doctrine, I think we'll make 
its audience-- as well as ISPs-- happier, if we code our standards to 
the greatest common denominator of ISP linkage, then facilitate building 
HOMENET as a platform into which ISPs have zero visibility.


--james