Re: [homenet] Homenet Naming Architecture

Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com> Thu, 21 January 2016 05:36 UTC

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From: Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Homenet Naming Architecture
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Dear Ted and Ray,

For many users, Internet obtainable services are fairly
limited. One major advantage offered by the Homenet approach
is an ability to cobble together several "limited"
providers to improve reliability.

The TLD '.lo' looks somewhat like a ccTLD and '.lan' has
already been suggested. Since ICANN asked '.lan' and '.home'
be set-aside, why worry about contested naming authority in
these cases? .home or .lan or .lo should not be considered
catch-all domains since they would not be visible beyond the
local network and yet function locally beyond uplink outages.

It seems counter-productive to suggest schemes where
Internet services must work in conjunction with
DNS dedicated at exposing previously private services whose
visibility is normally limited to the local network. Why
should private internal naming even depend on external DNS?
Such an approach is unlikely to be more robust and what
happens when uplinks go down?

Apple learned a valuable lesson when abandoning .me hosting.
Now it seems Homenet is intent at offering similar hosting
services. Such an effort is likely to necessitate an
inordinate level of support and incur additional risk. Are
providers interested in supporting dedicates DNS that sync
addresses and names for all internal services without
substantial cost increases?

Whether a multi-router system makes use of site dedicated
public DNS or not, a naming convention able to extend beyond
the bridge is still needed to properly support multi-device
multi-vendor system configuration, especially in cases where
trickle and babel don't meet their expectations. Naming
conventions able to span bridges would be able to adapt to
any number of strategies that might be used over Homenet
development and deployment.

Regards,
Douglas Otis