Re: [homenet] How many people have installed the homenet code?

Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> Thu, 22 October 2015 11:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] How many people have installed the homenet code?
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oops, I used the wrong link.

THE most promising piece of hardware on the horizon is:

https://omnia.turris.cz/en/
Dave Täht
I just lost five years of my life to making wifi better. And, now...
the FCC wants to make my work, illegal for people to install.
https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi


On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Douglas Otis <doug.mtview@gmail.com>; wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/21/15 5:29 PM, Dave Taht wrote:
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Henning Rogge <hrogge@gmail.com>; wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com>; wrote:
>>>>> is it up from 8?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Täht
>>>>
>>>> I did experiments in the CORE network emulator with shncpd... not sure
>>>> if this counts.
>>>>
>>>> Henning Rogge
>>>
>>> It counts! Has the channel assignment problem been solved in any way?
>>>
>>> Dave Täht
>>> I just lost five years of my life to making wifi better. And, now...
>>> the FCC wants to make my work, illegal for people to install.
>>
>> Dear Dave,
>>
>> I share your concerns. Perhaps DD-WRT could include a canned
>> library with a flexible API. Perhaps we should defined this
>> API and not settle for something like NDIS. An API that
>> isolates power related adjustment code to meet regulator
>> requirements.  We have lived through the regulator hell in
>> the recent past. It was not pleasant.
>
> This code has existed in linux for over 10 !@#! years. It is
> used by default in most systems. The regs invoked last year
> and upcoming this year are massive overreach.
>
> The API is bog-standard. The code is under a liberal licesne.
>
> The freq database is signed, and frequently updated, for all worldwide
> standards.
>
> https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/regulatory
>
>> Once specifications become clear, we also hope to do
>> testing. Are there good places to find code implementing
>> homenet dncp with scalable DNS-SD,
>
> most homenet code and spec were written at the same time.
>
> openwrt has the needed proxy available for it. How scalable,
> dunno. Ask barth.
>
>> and versions running ISIS
>> with scalable DNS-SD as well?  I would assume wifi running
>> ISIS also blocks port 5353 traffic at the bridge.
>
> Still intending to stick with babel here. It is massively lighter
> weight, well tested, fully deployed in mainline linuxes, and has other
> features we have long liked.
>
> Don't want to get into the ISIS vs babeld debate today. Do an apt-get
> install babeld on any debian derived box or yum install or whatever
> package manager you use.  Next question?
>
> I would like to see source specific routing enter all routing
> protocols and all routing daemons, actually.
>
>>
>> What is your opinion on a good router for testing?  Not
>> necessarily the cheapest because performance is also
>> important.  Should I look for the best DD-WRT hardware
>> running linux before these units are removed from the home
>> market?
>
> I note we work primarily on openwrt. dd-wrt lags behind a lot.
>
> We are working on getting the linksys ac1900 up to speed
> but the binary blob in the wifi driver is messing up that universe.
> (aside from that, pretty good hardware).
>
> A highly anticipated new platform is this:
>
> http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/turris/turris
>
> which basically uses the same chipset as the above, but
> gives us options on what wifi cards to use.
>
> On the lower end, anything with an ath9k in it is decent, but
> the hardware is showing it's age. the new cake qdisc is
> 40% faster than the old sqm-scripts + htb + fq_codel
> system but it still barely scales to a 100/20Mbit link
>
> And the wifi on everything sucks universally, right now.
>
>> My fear is testing may soon require a license and
>> expensive custom hardware.
>
> Well, nobody has talked about any licensing scheme for being allowed
> to do wifi work...
>
> so aside from vendors working directly in the field, and people and
> institutes willing to ignore present and future rulemaking... (or
> change it)...
>
> we're going to be f**ked, here in homenet.
>
>
> Dave Täht
> I just lost five years of my life to making wifi better. And, now...
> the FCC wants to make my work illegal for people to install.
> https://www.gofundme.com/savewifi