Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Thu, 16 October 2014 13:15 UTC

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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:15:04 +0900
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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

> Suppose you are connected to your homenet.   You are streaming video from
> your jukebox using your ULA.   Now your device switches to your neighbor's
> Wifi, which is advertising a different GUA and a different ULA.   At this
> point your device does a flash renumber because it realizes it's no longer
> on the same network, and that the prefixes it had are no longer valid.
>
> At this point, your application should get a notification from the stack
> that the connection has broken, at which point it should reconnect to your
> jukebox.


Ted, you're going in circles here. You've been arguing for many messages
that we should use ULAs because GUAs can be flash renumbered. And now you
provide an example of an event that *is* a flash renumbering, and then
proceed to say that everything will be fine because the application will
reconnect.

Pick one position or the other?