Re: [homenet] IPv6 Prefix delegation on IETF network, please ?

Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Tue, 03 November 2015 22:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] IPv6 Prefix delegation on IETF network, please ?
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In message <87twp2oj05.wl-jch@pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr>, Juliusz Chroboczek wri
tes:
> > So what is the scope of the request and what needs to be simulated?
> 
> There are two distinct requests here:
> 
>  1. have the IETF DHCPv6 servers delegate a /60 (at least) to any client
>     that requests it;

Sounds like you want the IETF to simulate being a WISP.  I suggest
that you write down the complete plan and submit it to Jim Martin
jrmii@isc.org so the noc team can plan for it.  Jim will let you
know if you need to ask elsewhere.  I can see several ways to do
this each with its own tradeoffs and levels of noc support and
preparation.

e.g.

>From a Linux/BSD box and switch you supply w/ /44 from the noc, a
DHCPv6 server and the DHCPv6 server just updating the routing table
on the host.  The noc just supplies a port for the upstream connection
and the address block.  Through to it being supported on all the
ssids.

>  2. have the hnetd software automatically deal with the situation in which
>     no DHCPv6 server performs prefix delegation by doing Proxy-ND or
>     something equally hackish.
> 
> Request (1) comes from Toerless.  Request (2) comes from me, and, as noted
> Gabriel, probably reflects a typically European point of view (since
> a number of ISPs provide native-ish IPv6 but don't do PD).  The two
> requests are not incompatible.
>
> -- Juliusz
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