Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-dot-10.txt

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 01 August 2017 18:51 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-dot-10.txt
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On Aug 1, 2017, at 2:37 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:
> Think of it as a knob with a wasps' nest behind it.

I know how to build it, so no, I don't think of it that way.   I can think much worse wasp's nests.   One example would be a network with no trust model that encourages end-users to engage in very risky practices in order simply to use it.   I don't think we can fully mitigate that problem, but I think it's worth thinking about what we _can_ do to mitigate it.