Re: [homenet] supporting homenet in CE routers

Teco Boot <teco@inf-net.nl> Fri, 17 November 2017 08:07 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] supporting homenet in CE routers
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My 2ct: if an ISP provided IPv6 CE router (or other equipment) does support HOMENET, HOMENET WG shall define ways to do it. 

Why would my ISP be interested in HOMENET? 
1) Looking around in my house, I see CE routers (one active) & hotspots & mediaboxes sold or leased from my ISP. They have different origins. Delivered in last couple of years. They interconnect via ethernet and coax, I could choose powerline. How they interconnect: far from HOMENET architecture.
2) My monthly fee is high enough to provide best class services. The ISP offers Internet acces over cable and over the mobile network. Due to merges, they have (leased) DSL in their portfolio as well. So they would be interested in the HOMENET multihoming capability, even for a single subscription. My neighbors living further away from my village have low-speed DSL and mobile network only. Here, the business case for multi-homing is evident.

Teco 


> Op 16 nov. 2017, om 20:45 heeft james woodyatt <jhw@google.com> het volgende geschreven:
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> On Nov 15, 2017, at 20:59, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> wrote:
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>> As requested in the meeting, here is the question to the WG.
>> Do we believe that homenet WG should work in a document to specify how and what IPv6 CE routers should support for a correct homenet support?
> 
> My answer to this question has not changed. I believe the WG should not try to write any specification applicable to IPv6 CE routers. Instead I strongly believe the resources of the working group are best spent on specifying the behavior of HOMENET domain interior routers, recognizing the ways existing IPv6 CE routers behave, and the documenting the considerations entailed by their behavior for the benefit of developers of interior routers. I do not believe that HOMENET is in any position to specify how IPv6 CE routers are to behave.
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> --james woodyatt <jhw@google.com>
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