Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?
Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca> Sat, 02 March 2019 19:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?
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Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> wrote: > Moin! > On 2 Mar 2019, at 1:14, Michael Richardson wrote: >> I personally do not believe that Home Router firmware update practices have >> significantly improved. I would welcome more recent data: is anyone >> collecting this on a regular basis? I suspect that 90% of firmware updates >> occur because the (integrated) modem is replaced in order to upgrade >> bandwidth. > So you think this is a problem. I'm saying that the devices are not getting updates, even ISP provided ones. >> For the last 10 to 15 years the ISP-provided home router has come to >> dominate >> the market, with the belief by the ISPs that this is a MUST that they >> control >> the device. Many (but not all) at the IETF do not share this view, but >> most >> non-technical users see the ISP provided router is simply saving the trip >> to >> BestBuy, rather than an abdication of control over their home. > And I agree with most of the non-technical end users there. An ISP provided > router does get updates and in case of problems I can call them and I do not observe ISP provided modems to get updates. >> net neutrality debate and the desire my ISPs for a cut of the over-top-pie. >> My answer is that the consumer should be in control, and that ISPs need to >> get out of the home router business entirely. > I agree that customers should be in control, and they are now as in most > countries you can choose between an ISP provided routers or buy one at your > convenience. I do not see how less choice (only non ISP provided routers) > will make this better especially as ISP provided and often managed routers > are usually updated and taken care of by the ISP in case of problems. There are quite a number of services in Canada where the ISP provided modem/router combo has no way to go into a layer-2 only mode. Or it's very hard to figure out, or the ISP disdains all notions of supporting you. -- ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
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