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Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Fri, 17 October 2014 15:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Let's make in-home ULA presence a MUST !?
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On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> wrote:
> But you're saying you want ULAs because you want to continue to do what you were doing yesterday: persistent connections, like SSH and X-windows. I think you're trying to fix the problem at the wrong layer. But I don't expect we'll agree with me on that.

The current IP architecture effectively assumes that this gets fixed on layer 3.   I agree that this is a problem, but since we don't have a real layer 4 solution, I think it's worth making sure that we make things as stable as we can at layer 3.   This does not preclude working on a solution at layer 4.   Indeed, there are several people here who think that's important; perhaps you should put your heads together.   Nothing gets done until someone does it.   But beware: several ships have foundered against these rocks already.

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