Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02.txt

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Tue, 03 July 2018 20:30 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02.txt
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On 07/03/2018 12:44 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> That's too bad.   We're going to do a work session on the document, so 
> it would be helpful if you could do a sweep through it after this to 
> make sure that all your issues got resolved.   Thanks for reviewing 
> and commenting in any case. If you can attend online, that might be 
> worthwhile.

My biggest problem is that I don't have a very clear idea of how this 
all fits together. Maybe i'm completely dense and  should get it, but 
i've also been out in the wilderness for a long time and my tracking of 
the progress is here is tenuous at best, which might mean i'm not alone.

Like i said, i'm a fan of ascii art, and love ladder diagrams. I know 
they're a pain, but they're really helpful, imo.

Mike


>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com 
> <mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 07/02/2018 05:21 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
>>     I didn’t get all the updates I wanted to into this version. A lot
>>     of the issues you mention here were discussed in my presentation
>>     in London. Will you be in Montreal?
>
>     No.
>
>     Mike
>
>>
>>     On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 7:43 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com
>>     <mailto:mike@mtcc.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         One thing that confuses me reading this is where (if any) is the
>>         "caching resolver" expected
>>         to reside. in section 2.2, last bullet it makes mention of an
>>         ISP
>>         resolver, but it's not clear whether
>>         that resolver is the same as the homenet resolver. if it's
>>         not that
>>         resolver, maybe it would be better
>>         to defer that discussion somehow? that is, say that it can
>>         happen, but
>>         defer how it might happen
>>         until later.
>>
>>         nit: you should move the terminology section up at least one
>>         section.
>>
>>         I think this draft says that each homenet router can
>>         implement the
>>         naming functionality. how do they
>>         negotiate who is authoritative? If it's in another document,
>>         it might be
>>         nice to call that out.
>>
>>         I'm not groking why this requires the use of ULA's for v6. It
>>         doesn't
>>         seem to require that ipv4 use
>>         rfc 1918 addresses? why does the naming function care which
>>         address
>>         space an address is in?
>>         what if i don't want to use ULA's?
>>
>>         In section 6, it says that request are sent to the local
>>         resolver which
>>         is either a caching resolver
>>         or a proxy. Does that imply that the caching resolver cannot be
>>         authoritative too? I don't think
>>         that's what you mean, but it's sort of confusing. Some ascii
>>         art might
>>         be helpful to show the
>>         topology possibilities
>>
>>         thanks,
>>
>>         Mike
>>
>>         On 07/02/2018 01:38 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org
>>         <mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>         > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line
>>         Internet-Drafts directories.
>>         > This draft is a work item of the Home Networking WG of the
>>         IETF.
>>         >
>>         >          Title           : Simple Homenet Naming and
>>         Service Discovery Architecture
>>         >          Authors         : Ted Lemon
>>         >                            Daniel Migault
>>         >                            Stuart Cheshire
>>         >       Filename        : draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02.txt
>>         >       Pages           : 15
>>         >       Date            : 2018-07-02
>>         >
>>         > Abstract:
>>         >     This document describes how names are published and
>>         resolved on
>>         >     homenets, and how hosts are configured to use these
>>         names to discover
>>         >     services on homenets.  It presents the complete
>>         architecture, and
>>         >     describes a simple subset of that architecture that can
>>         be used in
>>         >     low-cost homenet routers.
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>         >
>>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming/
>>         <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming/>
>>         >
>>         > There are also htmlized versions available at:
>>         >
>>         https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02
>>         <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02>
>>         >
>>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02
>>         <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02>
>>         >
>>         > A diff from the previous version is available at:
>>         >
>>         https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02
>>         <https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-homenet-simple-naming-02>
>>         >
>>         >
>>         > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the
>>         time of submission
>>         > until the htmlized version and diff are available at
>>         tools.ietf.org <http://tools.ietf.org>.
>>         >
>>         > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
>>         > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>>         <ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/>
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