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Re: [homenet] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-homenet-arch-10

Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk> Tue, 24 September 2013 15:54 UTC

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From: Ray Bellis <Ray.Bellis@nominet.org.uk>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Cc: "<apps-discuss@ietf.org>" <apps-discuss@ietf.org>, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net>, Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "<draft-ietf-homenet-arch.all@tools.ietf.org>" <draft-ietf-homenet-arch.all@tools.ietf.org>, "homenet@ietf.org Group" <homenet@ietf.org>, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
Subject: Re: [homenet] APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-homenet-arch-10
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On 24 Sep 2013, at 16:49, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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> 
> Tim Chown <tjc@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>    tim> Do we want to spend more time now, given the desire to move ahead
>    tim> with the
>    tim> other work, restructuring the arch doc? It could be done, but I
>    tim> wonder whether
> 
> I am opposed to any restructuring.  I am in favour of two rounds of external
> tweaks.  I believe that by addressing the review now, we will avoid doing
> further work at IESG stage, and that's what the directorates are about.
> 
>    tim> And the title? Well, personally I have no emotional attachment to
>    tim> the current
>    tim> title. If the IESG were to say let's rename it "Networking
>    tim> Principles for
>    tim> Future IPv6 Home Networks" then I would lose no sleep.
> 
> That's not the name I would pick.  I think it is too weak: there is
> significant design decisions made.  We have something which is much more than
> requirements, but not quite architectural.
> 
> In *building* terms (where we think we know the waterfall process of
> architecture, civil, structure engineering, and construction planning, but
> really we are wrong. It's way more complex than we think)...
> 
> We know how many stories the building will have... but it might be that
>   putting the highest efficiency HVAC on the roof will reduce that by one.
> We know that the building will have a glass exterior, but the exact
> dimensions of the panes is not yet known, estetically and weight wise, it's
> understood, and they won't be mirrored because the neighbours won't like
> that... but there are seismic considerations, and a new city bylaw on
> mitigation of falling glass...  (to make some stuff up)

So would you consider what we have now to be a "framework" ?

Ray

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