Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA

Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> Wed, 16 August 2017 13:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] Status of draft-tldm-simple-homenet-naming CFA
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Ralf Weber <dns@fl1ger.de> writes:

> Moin!
>
> On 15 Aug 2017, at 21:38, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> writes:
>>> I think we are wandering off into nonsense territory here.   Have you
>>> observed this sort of problem in the field?   If so, can you describe
>>> what happened?   If not, why would we optimize for it?
>>
>> If you consider flaky ISP DNS servers to be "nonsense" you are clearly
>> more fortunate with your ISPs than me. And that's before even going into
>> the DNS censorship issue; in my part of the world ISP DNS servers are
>> broken *by design*.
> And we wonder why there is no ISP/operator participation in the IETF...
> Your email address indicates you live in Denmark. I personally know people
> at ISPs in Denmark who run DNS resolvers for their customers and I in a
> previous job ran DNS servers for customers in Denmark, although the actual
> servers where located in Sweden and Germany. I can assure you that neither
> I nor my colleagues design DNS servers to be broken. If you have an issue
> with your ISP open a ticket with them and if they can't fix it switch ISPs.
> But don't blame all the ISPs to deliver broken service, without
> evidence.

Ah, I wasn't trying to imply that ISPs deliberately design sub-par
services just to annoy their customers; sorry if it came across that
way. My "broken by design" comment was referring specifically to
DNS-based censorship [1].

-Toke

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_denmark#Internet_censorship