IETF Logo Mail Archive

Re: [homenet] webauthn for routers

Michael Thomas <mike@fresheez.com> Thu, 13 June 2019 19:40 UTC

Return-Path: <mike@fresheez.com>
X-Original-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: homenet@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5752120698 for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:42 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=fresheez.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n3Bzzpo19EUS for <homenet@ietfa.amsl.com>; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB4A7120088 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id u13so632674iop.0 for <homenet@ietf.org>; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:41 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fresheez.com; s=fluffulence; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=DIFuDu0NztJYuhwpZ0FHNQWxpDIu+FQGnjmqPm/lfMM=; b=AAvbzfZggCO+4IR0BxqwxwK9tvcwlG9/Am9CDJWF5aZXPNVxvZqtFdiHCgNJHlLjjU vILjUh4tdz+vxbARO7jA4uL8mZNPnU3YWanMOLbF56lTkSPVxzV4FET5AJbnZ+gmgRD2 fCC7r86hbIfPsjKZOCUVwKS9O877sbZeR9qLI=
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=DIFuDu0NztJYuhwpZ0FHNQWxpDIu+FQGnjmqPm/lfMM=; b=tefY1nLMACnc2+7hFOp8oCAkCH0mQMJ21dVpeqabOmU4OSbFAVv2Xqb/HTFJnZDZQY kNGhGWojNtYQ0TJezGyCgQy79uVkGDSLyeFGzmIMCkDKd1OQNFLfPFw73QMkf8+Lic7y JGQJgv8L8CeUhQgCYbjRR1SamxBVqGYUjMrnEKyfCI/in78ol7twGyqBh0AYb6m6XbRF IxxKL3KfXxXVCO4oVTBsij/CXcepfgj2iGybToqHcScfyFNu339uv/RPaozzk9moNxq5 sbncz1WWA913MdddQv/1OXiTC79k3DO/PqGLPt4L+RxtRLKruexu8VlD6Y5XZR7mt/Dv WRxA==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWEOfE5fZ1ZVelBPWoa9HgIH2zUrVrZeYaDMfONREdy9a/AEt4v GRvQVFhDxo4Gif/lw+IIhRcUjrMkg70=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx+sn0LI2sgzQhxUxqqW1Vx+RaPQMQmVcBbVIhjoERWoZuSa4GK5mbbx7pWYbJVCMIvXDHKrg==
X-Received: by 2002:a6b:7a42:: with SMTP id k2mr2861860iop.214.1560454840845; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:40 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from Michaels-MacBook.local (107-182-42-248.volcanocom.com. [107.182.42.248]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x13sm807540ioj.18.2019.06.13.12.40.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT)
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr@sandelman.ca>, homenet@ietf.org
References: <CADZyTkkgd8f49V+yoZvPZXx3b-_YRzpgUY1-obroq9QMLnFWNw@mail.gmail.com> <87ftofwqut.wl-jch@irif.fr> <27503.1560302791@localhost> <87ef3zwoew.wl-jch@irif.fr> <4109.1560349340@localhost> <EC7FDA4F-1859-4B35-A8AC-D33E1A96F979@fugue.com> <ff7f2700-3862-59bd-abfb-22589562bddb@mtcc.com> <20218.1560366783@localhost> <288a310b-3b99-748d-74ce-a878ff43ee77@fresheez.com> <6179.1560377924@localhost> <604b4062-f2c5-30af-73ff-2e97b7541a9b@fresheez.com> <30470.1560435490@localhost> <cde3329b-cc06-b4eb-5d87-cf74f21368ea@fresheez.com> <496DBED4-24E6-49FE-B9D3-C2BFC7ACEE98@fugue.com> <20d72a3f-0b8f-c958-2482-25358854a96e@fresheez.com> <384451EC-7938-48B6-B167-1C246385C6D7@fugue.com> <fc40f26f-0dc3-91bb-03a0-7e7d8820e931@fresheez.com> <3461D44E-DD00-485D-B1CB-2F5356653403@fugue.com> <4167255a-9766-d155-cafa-44a27bec9a45@fresheez.com> <6B0BD10A-52A8-4DA6-82E2-BE4196041EE4@fugue.com> <d633bcce-cd61-6e86-ae7c-0aa26c7ed815@fresheez.com> <306AAFBA-39D0-489A-8698-F31A6C4BEC78@fugue.com>
From: Michael Thomas <mike@fresheez.com>
Message-ID: <8d490410-8ca4-0d74-488e-5c632f8a00b8@fresheez.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:40:37 -0700
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <306AAFBA-39D0-489A-8698-F31A6C4BEC78@fugue.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format="flowed"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Content-Language: en-US
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/homenet/W4Jg-MMh8h-RZ0fpTzq82O4oL4U>
Subject: Re: [homenet] webauthn for routers
X-BeenThere: homenet@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: IETF Homenet WG mailing list <homenet.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/homenet/>
List-Post: <mailto:homenet@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet>, <mailto:homenet-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:40:43 -0000

On 6/13/19 12:18 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
> TBH I don’t know anything about OBA other than that I heard it 
> discussed.  If you want to write up a draft, that can’t hurt. I’m not 
> promising to support it—it depends on what you come up with.   But 
> it’s always good to have a place to start, and something to pick apart 
> and fix up.   So by all means, if you are willing to proceed on that 
> basis, I think it’s a good idea, and I will read it.


I don't think this needs to be very involved. I would think that a short 
bcp which lays out why webauthn is a huge advance, and a set of 
different enrollment mechanisms that have some vetting would probably be 
enough.

Mike, it's been a while since i've written a draft...

v2.23.0 | Report a Bug | By Email