Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?

Toke Høiland-Jørgensen <toke@toke.dk> Wed, 13 March 2019 21:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?
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Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> writes:

> On Fri, 1 Mar 2019, Michael Richardson wrote:
>
>> For the last 10 to 15 years the ISP-provided home router has come to
>> dominate the market, with the belief by the ISPs that this is a MUST
>> that they control the device. Many (but not all) at the IETF do not
>> share this view, but most non-technical users see the ISP provided
>> router is simply saving the trip to BestBuy, rather than an
>> abdication of control over their home. If this trend continues, then
>> I believe that ISPs (residential IAPs) will come to want to control
>> all IoT devices in the home -- because security -- telling
>> residential customers what they can and not connect.
>
> I have data from some ISPs here pointing to 1% of the customers
> setting the media converter/router into bridge mode and providing
> their own HGW. Most people just keep whatever the ISP provided them
> with. Looking at the SSIDs I see, typically people don't even change
> the SSIDs/passwords from what came out of the box.
>
> A multi-router home isn't on the product managers radar. Their biggest
> issue right now, is customers complaining about bad service and most
> of the time this is related to bad wifi for the last 0-30 meters of
> access to the end-user device.
>
> If HOMENET somehow could help solve that problem (diagnosing bad wifi
> and helping the ISP/customer figure out what's wrong and what needs to
> be done) then HOMENET might get onto the radar and be of interest.
>
> The good thing is that the HGW is going from an unloved cost-cut
> necessity into a more important device that is a lot higher end
> device. It's gone from a 2-4MB flash / 16 MB RAM device, to nowadays
> often having 128-512MB RAM and 32-128MB flash (or even more). It now
> also is more likely to have aN ARM processor which is several times
> faster than the devices of 5-10 years ago. A negative though, is that
> it's also very likely to contain a packet accelerator that is quite
> constrained in what it can and can't do acceleration of. This might
> make some use-cases harder to achieve. Speeds have gone up and
> nowadays having 4x4 wifi chips in there that'll in practice support
> actual transport payload speeds of upwards of 1 gigabit/s on wifi
> isn't uncommon. We're also now seeing devices with even higher port
> speeds than 1GE, but that might take a bit longer to reach wider
> adoption.

Since you seem to be pretty up to date on the ISP-level CPE offerings,
just out of curiosity: Do any of these fancy ARM boxes include actual
fixes for bufferbloat? :)

-Toke