Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?
Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Fri, 01 March 2019 22:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next?
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On 3/1/19 2:25 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Mar 1, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie > <mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>> wrote: >> If one of those positions captures your opinion, feel free to respond >> in shorthand. Otherwise, please tell us where you think we ought be >> going, as a WG, with (a), (b) and/or (c). > > For me it’s (1) and (2). > > I think there are a few reasons why homenet feels stalled right now. I would guess that even after 5 years, we still don't have much v6 deployment into homes and that's a pretty big problem. Router vendors are not much motivated by that which doesn't have a market. Sigh. Mike > > * We are tracking a moving target, and we haven’t adjusted our > goals. This is the conclusion I came to as a result of working > on the presentation I did in Bangkok on Homenet Marketing. I > don’t think this is bad. > * I conjecture that one of the reasons that there is good attendance > at homenet but relatively limited participation is in fact that we > are developing technology that is interesting to the people who > are showing up, but not quite addressing their needs. > * I don’t actually know what the applicability is for the hidden > primary stuff. I’ve gotten feedback that there are people who > want this, but I have no idea what to do with it, given that we > don’t want to expose internal DNS to external nodes. > * No hardware that does homenet. We have homenet stuff in OpenWRT, > but making it work in a home isn’t a turnkey operation, and that > is, after all, the goal of Homenet: a real network that sets > itself up without the user having to grok how it works. > * One of the applications of Homenet that we keep hearing about is > the SOHO market. We should target that explicitly and see what > gaps exist in addressing it. > > > So I think spending some time re-targeting would be worthwhile, and > it’s my intention to present a draft that talks about that in Prague. > > I also would really like to see if anybody is willing to actually hack > on Homenet in the hackathon. There are a couple of projects I’d like > to see us work on: > > * Turnkey homenet build of OpenWRT > * If the Turris folks are down, it would be nice if they could join > us and make it work in Turris OS as well. > * Homenet-wide service discovery using the DNSSD Discovery proxy > we’ve been working on, which is fully functional at this point. > * Support for DNSSD SRP (this would involve finishing the SRP > gateway I’ve been working on, and getting it to update Unbound or > BIND). > * Joining constrained-network edge routers to homenet routing and > service discovery infrastructure > * MUD support for devices that are not on a separate link, but are > isolated from nodes that don’t have permission to talk to them. > This should be doable in OpenWRT. > * Automatic IKEv2 tunnels on OpenWRT that use the new split DNS > stuff being published in IPSECME to allow us to serve home.arpa to > VPN clients. > > > This is an ambitious set of goals, and I don’t expect we’ll work on > all of them, but these are things that need work, so if there is > energy to work on any of them, it would be nice to see that happen at > hackathon. > > > > _______________________________________________ > homenet mailing list > homenet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/homenet
- [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Stephen Farrell
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ralf Weber
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Thomas
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Stephen Farrell
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Stephen Farrell
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- [homenet] -CoDel David R. Oran
- Re: [homenet] -CoDel Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Richardson
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Stephen Farrell
- Re: [homenet] homenet: what now? ... next? Michael Richardson