Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-09: (with DISCUSS)
Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 18 November 2015 18:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ietf-homenet-hncp-09: (with DISCUSS)
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Hi Steven, Thanks for your response and text suggestions. Inline. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Steven Barth <cyrus@openwrt.org> wrote: > > Hello Kathleen, > > thanks for the review. > >> 1. I'm not clear on one of the bullets in section 3, >> o HNCP nodes MUST use the leading 64 bits of MD5 [RFC1321] as DNCP >> non-cryptographic hash function H(x). >> >> Is this meant to use a message digest (RFC1321) or a cryptographic hash >> for authentication (RFC2104)? If it's the former, can you make this more >> clear in the bullet? If it's the latter, can you update the reference >> and the number of bits to use for truncation is 80 for the minimum. You >> do explicitly mention HMACs later on for PSKs using SHA256, so maybe the >> reference is correct and the wording should just be a bit more clear? > > I have staged this text now: > > HNCP nodes MUST use the leading 64 bits of the <xref > target="RFC1321">MD5 message digest</xref> as the DNCP hash function > H(x) used in building the DNCP hash tree. > > I hope that makes it more clear, that the hash is only used for > comparison and to detect changes, not as a form of signature or > authentication. > This does help, thank you! > >> 2. Can you explain why DTLS is a SHOULD and not a MUST? The bullet in >> section 3 reads as if this is for use, not implementation. Is there a >> MUST for implementation (I didn't see one, but maybe I missed that)? > > The basic idea behind the SHOULD is that there may be cases where either > physical security of links (e.g. cables) can be ensured or link-layer > security such as WPA for WiFi is present. In these cases (e.g. some sort > homenet wifi repeater) the DTLS would be redundant. > > In the Security Considerations sections we currently have a requirement: > > On links where this is not practical and lower layers do not provide > adequate protection from attackers, DNCP secure mode MUST be used to > secure traffic. This may be okay. I will have to look at the draft again to see the references for DNCP security and will get back yo you as soon as I can do that. I've had some day job responsibilities this morning. > > which should ensure that devices MUST use HNCP security over both > physically and link-layer-wise unsecured links. I guess this could be > reflected in the DNCP profile section as well if that makes it more clear. > > Would that work better or do you have something different in mind? > More later. Thanks again! Kathleen > >> >> Could you add a reference to RFC7525 to help with configuration and >> cipher suite recommendations? This could be in section 12, security >> considerations. > > Staged for next revision. > > > > Cheers, > > Steven
- [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draft-ie… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Steven Barth
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Henning Rogge
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Juliusz Chroboczek
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Mark Townsley
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Mark Andrews
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Markus Stenberg
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [homenet] Kathleen Moriarty's Discuss on draf… Ted Lemon