Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Fri, 17 June 2016 13:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [homenet] alternatives to .home
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Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
    >> .local has worked

    > But mostly because ordinary humans never see it.  That's what's not
    > clear to me.

I think so. I also think that it shows up in logs and ...

    > Is this a name that will mostly be hidden by user-interface sugar
    > (which is mostly how it works with mDNS -- please don't tell me about
    > ssh.  That's not our audience, I maintain)?  If so, then any domain
    > will do, and putting it under arpa would be fine.

+10.

and yes, it shows up in ssh for the geeks.

    > Is it a name that we expect people often to use in you-type-it-in
    > contexts?  If so, then the story is very different.

    > In any case, I'd really like "translation" to be off the table.  We are
    > not competent to do that, and anyway we're specifying a permanent part
    > of infrastructure that will not be able to evolve as (say) language
    > evolves.

We specify "THING.hn.arpa" (it's really "hn.arpa" that we are reserving, and
suggesting that it have one additional label) and let local culture come to
their own consensus.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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