Re: [hops] Proposed Charter for Measurement and Analysis for Protocols (MAP) Research Group

[Aaron Falk <[e-mail]>]

Hi Joachim-

Good points but I would suggest the charter stay fairly vague on the
subjects other than allowing them to be in-scope for the RG, for exactly
the reason you suggest (it can be a distraction).  Perhaps just adding "and
best practices" to the end of the first bullet would open the door without
becoming an attractive nuisance. [*]

--aaron

* - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attractive_nuisance_doctrine

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Joachim Fabini <
[e-mail]> wrote:

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> Hi Brian,
>
> I support the charter, thanks for revising it, and full consent to
> Ethan's statement: "landing pad" for the IMC community reads
> excellent, nice wording.
>
> One question (perhaps a minor rewording can help): is "collaborations
> to share data supporting these measurements" equivalent to "defining
> repositories and sharing meaningful methods, measurement results,
> measurement context and limitations of data sets" as discussed in
> Yokohama? It's not clear to me what "supporting these measurements"
> refers to exactly. It could mean "sharing of successful measurement
> methods and setups" rather than "sharing of measurement results".
>
> Second, is it needed|meaningful to explicitly mention legal aspects
> related to data sharing as within/outside of the MAP charter? Sharing
> data means dealing with country-specifics, licensing terms, privacy
> vs. usability, etc. As such, legal aspects are implicitly part of the
> charter. My feeling is that MAP should propose guidelines for sharing
> measurement data, and that such guidelines could be really helpful for
> the community. However, the discussion on the ietf94-attendees mailing
> list is a fair warning to be _very_ careful with discussions on any
> legal aspects (in particular privacy). There's a high risk to lose
> focus - perhaps we can delegate this subtask to the hrpc RG. ;)
>
> many thanks,
> Joachim
>
>
>
> On 26.11.2015 12:35, Brian Trammell wrote:
> > Greetings, all,
> >
> > Following discussions at the HOPS proposed RG meetings in Prague
> > and Yokohama, as well as at the RAIM workshop before Yokohama,
> > we've revised the charter to reflect what we think the community
> > wants out of such an RG. Note that given the slightly expanded
> > scope of this charter, though, we've decided to rename the proposed
> > RG to Measurement and Analysis for Protocols (MAP).
> >
> >
> > Comments on the proposed charter below are welcome at
> > [e-mail]:
> >
> >
> > Measurement and Analysis for Protocols (MAP) RG
> > ===============================================
> >
> > Our Internet has grown into something that differs from what was
> > envisioned. Its protocols sometimes operate in an environment other
> > than than that for which they were designed. For instance, some
> > network elements treat some protocols differently than others and
> > those protocols themselves are sometimes reused and abused in ways
> > initially unforseen. The Measurement and Analysis for Protocols
> > (MAP) Research Group (RG) explores such phenomena by measurement
> > with the aim to inform protocol engineering and practice.
> >
> > Many protocol engineering efforts in a standards development
> > context, as well as best practices for the operation of
> > IETF-defined protocols, can benefit from insight provided by
> > Internet measurements of various kinds. Likewise, Internet
> > measurement research efforts can stand to gain from contacts with
> > the IETF. The Measurement and Analysis for Protocol Engineering
> > (MAP) Research Group aims to provide a forum for interchange
> > between these two communities, supporting:
> >
> > - exchange of measurement-derived insight, - discussion of
> > techniques for measurement relevant for protocol engineering and
> > network operations, - collaborations to share data supporting these
> > measurements, and - a "landing pad" in general for the Internet
> > measurement community to introduce its efforts to the IETF
> >
> > Measurements of any layer of the Internet protocol stack or aspect
> > of Internet operations are in-scope for the RG, provided they are
> > relevant to protocol engineering work within the IETF, or the
> > operation of IETF protocols.
> >
> > Membership ----------
> >
> > Membership in the MAP RG is open to all interested parties.
> >
> > Meetings --------
> >
> > The MAP RG will meet one to three times per year, as deemed
> > necessary by the chairs and according to demand. At least one MAP
> > RG meeting will be co-located with an IETF meeting per year. Given
> > the MAP RG's charter to bridge the gap between Internet standards
> > and measurement communities, the MAP RG may also meet colocated
> > with relevant academic conferences or network operator forums, as
> > appopriate.
> >
> > Meetings are by default open with open attendance and published
> > proceedings, with remote participation and recording as provided by
> > the meeting venue, according to the IRTF's IPR policy. This is
> > always the case with at least one MAP RG meeting co-located with an
> > IETF meeting noted above. However, as deemed necessary, the chairs
> > may hold virtual or physical meetings with restricted attendance to
> > discuss observations which cannot be shared openly, provided that
> > some outcome of such a meeting may be openly shared with the
> > community.
> >
> > Chairs ------
> >
> > Mirja Kühlewind <[e-mail]> Dave Plonka
> > <[e-mail]>
> >
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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