Re: [hops] Proposal for HOPS RG

"Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com> Fri, 22 May 2015 14:24 UTC

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Hi again,

I should probably clarify that I'm *not* pushing back on you guys having a meeting in Prague and possibly later IETFs to see if a community forms. I will definitely approve rooms.

Take my comments as early feedback on the charter text you sent. The actual chartering discussion will happen after you've tried to meet a few times and we see what has happened in those meetings.

Lars

On 2015-5-22, at 16:06, Eggert, Lars <lars@netapp.com> wrote:
> On 2015-5-22, at 15:46, Mirja Kühlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@tik.ee.ethz.ch> wrote:
>> there are people from RIPE who are interested in this work and were already at the BarBoF. Further we are also in contact which the people from CAIDA. And, as you can see on the agenda, we are also talking to Google and Akamai with people who were also at the BarBoF
> 
> so that's promising, but not actually a large number of folks. I wonder if a discussion among four groups really needs an RG established. Isn't this something that might as well be handled  ad hoc?
> 
> A second concern I have is that the topic here is fairly narrow in scope ("let's discuss data around how bad middleboxes break things"), and rather short-lived (i.e., once that is done, the group is done). The IRTF tries to charter groups that are long-lived and try to tackle problem areas of substantial size, and I wonder if this is the case here.
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> (Since I was not at the bar BOF, I may be fundamentally misunderstanding something about this proposal. I'm only going on what is in the charter text proposal.)
> 
> Lars
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