Re: [HR-rt] [hrpc] [regext] Human Rights Review of draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Fri, 05 October 2018 11:55 UTC

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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [HR-rt] [hrpc] [regext] Human Rights Review of draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode
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I take no position on the HR issues of this draft.  However:


> If there is only one instance in which this MAY be useful, perhaps there
> is no need for standardization of this extension?
>

Not the way we do business.  We ask this question on the front end of
the process, not the back end.  That is a simple matter of fairness. 
Also, the form of rhetoric here is a bit disturbing.  When someone comes
up with one example, it should not be assumed that there is in fact but
one use (conversely one need not assume that there is more than one use,
but as per above it is irrelevant).

Eliot