Re: [HT-rt] [[e-mail]: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-marnew-report-01> (IAB Workshop on Managing Radio Networks in an Encrypted World (MaRNEW) Report)]

[Amelia Andersdotter <[e-mail]>]

I guess the task is to apply the Human Rights Guidelines from RFC 8280?

It's a workshop. As I read the draft report GSMA is defending their
regulatory and commercial interests, and IETF is saying "well, make it
work while stuff is encrypted".

So do we mean to criticize GSMA's self-perceived political/commercial
interests from a HR perspective?

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The workshop appears not to have touch on the upcoming ePrivacy
regulation in the EU at all, in spite of it having a fairly big impact
on many GSMA members. In particular, GSMA has been lobbying /against/
the ePrivacy regulation, in spite of the IETF helpfully solving many of
their regulatory challenges under the law.

Telcos are in the place where they want to sell amounts of data. HTTPS
increases the amount of data, making telco consumer potentially
unhappier. Encryption can also slow stuff down, and while some vendors
say that that's an issue of the past, it's possible that it isn't in for
instance the developing world. Probably Facebook Free Basic connections
have data on this.

In some countries, notably the UK, telcos may be under obligation to
generally filter connections (ensure they're porn-free). I find that
policy disagreeable, but nevertheless it's there. For telcos it's a
challenge.

In Sweden, before the EU open internet regulation entered into effect,
several telcos were investigated for traffic prioritisation (which was
suspected to run contrary to ePrivacy directive obligations not to
monitor traffic). Ironically, the EU open internet law kind of permitted
commercially motivated traffic discrimination so those inquiries have
since been cancelled. The new ANACOM case in Portugal may change this
interpretation of what the open internet regulation says, but I don't
perceive Portugal to be heading in that direction.

best regards,

Amelia

On 2018-04-08 12:30, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Amelia know more about radio networks than I do methinks, but happy to
> do so if Amelia is not available.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Niels
>
> Sent from Blue <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=12687>
> On Apr 7, 2018, at 22:43, Shivan <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     I could take a look, if someone could work with me.
>
>     On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 11:36 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>         Obvious HR consequences. Any volunteer?
>
>
>
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>         Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 15:08:39 -0700
>         Subject: Call for Comment: <draft-iab-marnew-report-01> (IAB
>         Workshop on Managing Radio Networks in an Encrypted World
>         (MaRNEW) Report)
>         This is an announcement of an IETF-wide Call for Comment on
>         draft-iab-marnew-report-01.
>
>         The document is being considered for publication as an
>         Informational RFC
>         within the IAB stream, and is available for inspection at:
>         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-marnew-report/
>
>         The Call for Comment will last until 2018-05-01. Please send
>         comments to
>         [e-mail]
>         <mailto:[e-mail]> and [e-mail]
>         <mailto:[e-mail]>.
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>
>         Abstract
>
>            The MarNEW workshop aimed to discuss solutions for bandwidth
>            optimisation on mobile networks for encrypted content, as
>         current
>            solutions rely on unencrypted content which is not
>         indicative of the
>            security needs of today's Internet users.  The workshop
>         gathered IETF
>            attendees, IAB members and various organisations involved
>         in the
>            telecommunications industry including original equipment
>            manufacturers and mobile network operators.
>
>            The group discussed the current Internet encryption trends and
>            deployment issues identified within the IETF, and the
>         privacy needs
>            of users which should be adhered.  Solutions designed
>         around sharing
>            data from the network to the endpoints and vice versa were then
>            discussed as well as analysing whether the current issues
>         experienced
>            on the transport layer are also playing a role here.  Content
>            providers and CDNs gave an honest view of their experiences
>         delivery
>            content with mobile network operators.  Finally, technical
>         responses
>            to regulation was discussed to help the regulated
>         industries relay
>            the issues of impossible to implement or bad-for-privacy
>         technologies
>            back to regulators.
>
>            A group of suggested solutions were devised which will be
>         discussed
>            in various IETF groups moving forward.
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Amelia Andersdotter
Technical Consultant, Digital Programme

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