Re: [HR-rt] [regext] Human Rights Review of draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode

"Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com> Fri, 05 October 2018 12:25 UTC

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From: "Hollenbeck, Scott" <shollenbeck@verisign.com>
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Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] Human Rights Review of draft-ietf-regext-verificationcode
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org>;
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 8:09 AM
> To: Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com>;;
> 'jgould=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org';
> <jgould=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org>;
> Cc: 'hr-rt@irtf.org'; <hr-rt@irtf.org>;; 'hrpc@irtf.org'; <hrpc@irtf.org>;;
> 'regext@ietf.org'; <regext@ietf.org>;; 'gurshabad@cis-india.org';
> <gurshabad@cis-india.org>;
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] Human Rights Review of draft-ietf-regext-
> verificationcode
>
> On 10/05/2018 01:14 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Niels ten Oever <lists@digitaldissidents.org>;
> >> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2018 4:20 AM
> >> To: Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck@verisign.com>;;
> >> 'jgould=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org';
> >> <jgould=40verisign.com@dmarc.ietf.org>;
> >> Cc: 'hr-rt@irtf.org'; <hr-rt@irtf.org>;; 'hrpc@irtf.org';
> >> <hrpc@irtf.org>;; 'regext@ietf.org'; <regext@ietf.org>;; 'gurshabad@cis-
> india.org'
> >> <gurshabad@cis-india.org>;
> >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] Human Rights Review of
> >> draft-ietf-regext- verificationcode
> >>
> >> On 10/04/2018 08:34 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >>> Here's one example of a regulation that could be met using the
> >>> approach described in the draft:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=d611d7d4bd8f3155d3262ea485
> >>> 7c
> >>> 011e&mc=true&node=pt41.3.102_6173&rgn=div5
> >>>
> >>> The draft does not use terms like "obligatory" or "demand". As it
> >>> says in the Introduction, "A locality MAY ...".
> >>>
> >>
> >> If there is only one instance in which this MAY be useful, perhaps
> >> there is no need for standardization of this extension?
> >
> > If there is at least one example, there is a demonstration of existence
> of utility.
> >
>
> We might disagree here. If there is one place in which this extension
> might be useful, I am not sure whether standardization is appropriate
> because there is only one (potential) implementation. That leads me to the
> question: has this actually been implemented in the case of .gov?

It has not. This extension can, however, be used by any EPP-using entities that have verification requirements - and there are more than one of those.

Scott