Re: [hrpc] Censorship

[Alexandre Petrescu <[e-mail]>]

I will not be able to answer, not because I dont want to.

I will not discuss this privately, as I think it is more important.

Thank you for the message.

Alex

Le 22/03/2022 à 12:37, S Moonesamy a écrit :
> Hi Alexandre,
> At 09:58 AM 21-03-2022, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>> I did not know the .io problem - thanks!
>>
>> Can I suppose that the .io problem is not as accute because of the 
>> following reason: they are not at war.
>
> A change request should not be dependent on whether the entities 
> involved in the matter are at war.
>
>> Can I dare to think for a moment that it is not because there are 
>> many similar problems that they are not problems?
>
> Yes.
>
>> Is the potential solution to the problem of .io to remove .io and 
>> replace it by something else?  Or is the solution to give the .io to 
>> somebody else?
>
> I have not given any thought to a solution as it would most likely be 
> ill-informed.
>
>> As for IRTF and .su:
>>
>> Hmm, it might be that a research could be performed to understand the 
>> human rights implications of using a wrong (false) domain name .su - 
>> this '.su' represents nothing, a non existent object; but because 
>> nothing is really 'nothing', it can be said that it has been 
>> populated by some people who might want .su to actually mean 
>> something.  Maybe the space was free because of inattention and 
>> someoe occupied for cheap.  And there lies a problem.  The domain is 
>> in use out of lack of knowledge. A crispation already exists there in 
>> that use of .su.
>
> The ccTLD must have some value to the persons/organizations who 
> registered domain names under it or else they would not have 
> registered those domain names.
>
>> Maybe it is too much away from what IRTF might be interested in doing.
>>
>> In that case, I still wonder where else could this wrongness and 
>> possible evolution towards righteousness (migration, smooth for 
>> users, the humans) of .su could be discussed.  The idea would be to 
>> delete .su but migrate the websites to some other domain, such that 
>> the humans (end users) still access the content.
>
> There was some discussion within ICANN about what to do about that 
> ccTLD.  I haven't had time to keep track of the discussion.
>
>> There are also aspects of the .fr (written in russian) domain that 
>> could be discussed as well about human rights and entitlements (.fr 
>> in russian text stands for Federation of Russia, but in latin 
>> characters it stands for France; this potential confusion, that 
>> nobody seems to do, might have some implications; it might be that 
>> new names should be proposed such as to balance a 'primacy' such as 
>> to not hurt anyone's feelings; were they to be called '.fra' for 
>> France and '.fedru' for Russia, or even '.rusfed' in their own 
>> language, then there would be no confusion problem; other solutions 
>> are possible; all these might have impacts on human rights.
>
> The above could be about universal acceptance or digital sovereignty.
>
> At 02:42 AM 22-03-2022, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
>
>> Today I received an incident report in some conenctivity.  It comes 
>> from an .io email address.  But the report has nothing to do with 
>> the Indian Ocean area.
>>
>> Not only there is disconnection at IP layer but there is 
>> disconnection in our semantic understanding of what .io should mean, 
>> in the first place.
>
> It's an identifier which people use.  The meaning depends on branding.
>
> Regards,
> S. Moonesamy