Re: [hrpc] re history lessons

8492.  Ciphersuites as weapons that can be used for protection.

On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:19 AM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:

> Which rfc is on the right to bear arms?
>
> On May 3, 2021, at 11:16, Sandra Braman <braman@tamu.edu> wrote:
>
> 
> Appreciate this, Mallory.  Our interpretations of the effects of
> particular activities may reasonably differ, but you are also assigning
> meaning to my comment that was not there. I did not say I was discounting
> the code 451 effort, although you and I may disagree regarding what the
> nature of its consequences are.
>
> I have so far looked only at RFCs for mention of 8280; there is just the
> one. Would appreciate it if others could point me to Internet drafts that
> do. Was fascinated to see that the only RFC mentioning 8280 does so by
> focusing on the right to bear arms.
>
> I agree with you that it would be a great research project for someone to
> analyze discussions of drafts that do mention human rights considerations,
> and what the reasons were for not ultimately including that section in
> documents ultimately published. Actually, that could be useful as input
> into future HRPC efforts.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:53 AM Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> It would be incorrect to minimise the impact of RFC 8280 and HRPC this
>> way, Sandra.
>>
>> The fact that 451 isn't as technically implementable as authors
>> envisioned is orthogonal to its human rights considerations. It shouldn't
>> be discounted.
>>
>> I believe there are more RFCs and I-D that directly cite a human rights
>> consideration, but others might chime in on which specifically.
>>
>> It also won't include the ways in which people engage in draft reviews
>> with human rights considerations influenced by RFC 8280. Harder to measure,
>> but still worth doing.
>>
>> -Mallory
>> On 5/3/21 10:43 AM, Sandra Braman wrote:
>>
>> Point taken, Niels, re the archive -- have read most of it but will
>> ensure it is all read and reviewed for its attention to this particular
>> question; will return to the list if questions remain.
>>
>> Another, if I may -- It turns out, according to Mallory and others, code
>> 451 has not actually been useful. What do members of this group make out of
>> the fact that only one RFC since publication of 8280 has addressed human
>> rights considerations, and that was the right to bear arms?  Is it expected
>> that publication of the guidelines document currently in progress will make
>> a difference?  Any advice regarding where I can turn for explanations of
>> this?
>>
>> Thanks again --
>>
>> Sandra
>>
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