Re: [hrpc] Censorship
Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> Wed, 16 March 2022 11:21 UTC
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] Censorship
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I agree with Stephen that I could hardly think of a better place to discuss this that here. Many relevant actors are here, there is a good discussion, and I think a lot of research questions and considerations are coming from this that touch on human rights, geopolitics, and the internet infrastructure. Furthermore, the relationship between DDoS, spam, and human rights has also been extensively discussed here. I could imagine research that is similar to this (very much recommended) could result from this: https://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/11700/10128 However, if it is the opinion of the chair that this is not relevant for the RG, I can live with that. Best, Niels On 16-03-2022 02:41, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > Hiya, > > On 15/03/2022 15:58, Mallory Knodel wrote: >> I don’t feel it’s critical to continue debating it point by point and agree >> the list shouldn’t continue down this thread either. > > FWIW, I think this is a good list to debate these topics. > (While at the same time disagreeing with the proponents > of the purported blocklist.) > > My main reason is that there seem to be reasonable people > who are otherwise engaged with this list/HRPC and who are > arguing different sides. That seems to me like a fertile > setup so worth exploring, regardless of whether or not we've > identified a PhD-worthy research topic. (If the RG chairs > continue to disagree that's fine by me but I'd love a ptr > to where discussion continues as I of course want to keep > arguing against:-) > > I'm also still perplexed as to how any blocklist could ever > be governed in an open multi-stakeholder manner though and > have yet to see arguments (here or elsewhere) as to how > that's even possible. If (as I think for now) that's a > killer argument against this proposition, then it'd IMO > be good to see that argument approach resolution somewhere. > > Cheers, > S. > > PS: Apologies for introducing the string "**SPAM**" into > the subject line - our dept migrated to using an external > mail service provider last year and while that's had some > good effects, one of the crap ones is that mail gets badly > classified according to unknowable blocklists and robots > into spam/ham. And I forgot to edit the polluted subject > line, sorry. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > hrpc mailing list > hrpc@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc -- Niels ten Oever, PhD Postdoctoral Researcher - Media Studies Department - University of Amsterdam Affiliated Faculty - Digital Democracy Institute - Simon Fraser University Non-Resident Fellow 2022-2023 - Center for Democracy & Technology Associated Scholar - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - Fundação Getúlio Vargas Research Fellow - Centre for Internet and Human Rights - European University Viadrina W: https://nielstenoever.net E: mail@nielstenoever.net T: @nielstenoever P/S/WA: +31629051853 PGP: 2458 0B70 5C4A FD8A 9488 643A 0ED8 3F3A 468A C8B3 Read my latest article on Internet infrastructure governance in Globalizations here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14747731.2021.1953221
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