Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Mon, 23 September 2019 11:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt
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On Sep 23, 2019, at 5:44 AM, Niels ten Oever <mail@nielstenoever.net> wrote:
> Time, and its standardization, is a very political project. Going back to Aristotle (Physics iv 10-14) there is the difference between Chronos and Kairos, where Chronos became the number to measure motion (kinesis). There have been many other perceptions and measurements of time, that were able to exist next to each other, but as part of the colonial project, the European concept of what time was, was made the universal standard. That is why Greenwich Mean Time (in Great Britain) is used as a standard for the whole world. 

This might actually be an interesting angle to explore.   I think in one sense you are right about this (and don’t forget the Julian calendar while you’re at it).

But here we are, in this time period that exists long after this political discussion occurred.  Do you think that time is still political in the sense that you are saying now?  Can you talk about what that means?  What the tensions are?  Who benefits from the status quo?  Who might benefit from a change?

I point this out because I think in a sense the Internet is in a time when a lot of things are in flux, and so we can see that there might be political pressures.  And we can posit that there will be some time, perhaps in the far future, when these questions are no longer political, or at least no longer political in the same way.

What is between here and there?  What are the reefs around which we must navigate?   Or is it in fact not the case that we will ever reach that open ocean?