Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-03.txt

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Fri, 12 July 2019 15:46 UTC

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On 12/07/2019 16:41, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Stephen,
> 
>> On 12 Jul 2019, at 17:05, Stephen Farrell
>> <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
>> 
>> FWIW, I don't think participation in the IETF is a useful question
>> for hrpc, though it is a useful question to study.
> 
> 
> I think you need to support this statement based on my previous
> message.  That is- if one has an inability to effectively participate
> in the setting of defacto standards that impact one’s own society,
> isn’t one disenfranchised from protecting against whatever human
> rights impacts our work has?  Or is that in itself not a human right,
> and merely some form of privilege?

I do not consider participation in the IETF, not attendance
at IETF meetings, a human right, no.

I might just about accept the right to education implies a
right to the potential to be a person who could participate
in the IETF, but better just to treat education as a right
I think.

After that I don't care if we do or don't call participating
in the IETF a privilege or a PITA, as it's a mixture of both:-)

Cheers,
S.


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> Eliot
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