Re: [hrpc] draft-tenoever-hrpc-political-00.txt

[Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]>]

Hi Elliot,

This is a great point, and I somehow just accepted the assumption that
Internet standards are voluntary, but I think you are totally right.

I think this would be very interesting  to discuss in Prague in the
discussion of the draft. I'll add in a slide on this.

Cheers,

Niels

Niels ten Oever
Head of Digital

Article 19
www.article19.org

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On 07/06/2017 10:57 AM, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Hi Niels,
> 
> 
> On 7/6/17 10:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Hi Eliot,
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:15:53PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It seems to me that the most interesting assertion in the draft is that
>>> the IETF are not protocol police.  
>>> [...]
>> Should I conclude from this that you think that because the IETF does not have total control, it has no responsibilities whatsoever?
> 
> Quite the opposite!  In the draft, you made an assertion, perhaps as an
> aside, that the IETF are not protocol police, the inference being based
> on our statements again and again that these are voluntary
> community-driven standards.  My point is to question just how and when
> they really are "voluntary" .  Indeed if we conclude that some standards
> are LESS voluntary than we think they are, then we have commensurately
> MORE responsibilities.  But the formulation of this concept of
> "voluntary" should be well examined before we go too far down that line,
> and this additional step would be a good day's work in and of itself.
> 
> Eliot
>