Re: [hrpc] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Tue, 12 March 2019 06:46 UTC

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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 15:45:24 +0900
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] [Doh] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:58 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
wrote:

> [Sorry for the long list of working groups but the discussion already
> started in different places.]
>
> There are been some discussion about DoH (DNS-over-HTTPS, RFC 8484)
> deployment and the risk of centralization of Internet services.

(See
> for instance drafts [this is not an endorsement]
> draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients, draft-reid-doh-operator and
> draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues.)
>
> It was suggested <wikipedia>Reference necessary</wikipedia> to have a
> side meeting in Prague at IETF 104. I propose monday, 1400-1600 in
> Tyrolka. The proposal is at
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/104sidemeetings>. You
> are welcome to agree/disagree/meet in a bar instead.
>

[ Replying here instead of bottom of thread ]

Thank you for proposing / organizing this - there has been a lot of
discussions, but (as demonstrated by the list of WGs in the To: line) it is
somewhat unclear where the discussions should happen -- I'm planning on
asking the secretariat to please make us a mailing list to better focus the
discussions -- does anyone have a strong objection to this?

(also, a good suggestion for a name would be helpful :-))

W



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-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf