Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-association-04.txt

[Stéphane Couture <[e-mail]>]

Hi Corinne,

Thanks for this. As I mentioned, I barely made changes to it so far,
and most of it was the previous version made by Niels and Gisela, but I am
glad you find it great.

I'll come back to this later,

Stéphane

Le mar. 10 mars 2020 à 10:55, Corinne Cath <[e-mail]> a écrit :

> Hi Stéphane et al,
>
> Great work! I did a review of the document, some thoughts below:
>
>
>    - I would rewrite the introduction, instead of starting with hard to
>    parse (even for fellow academics) high-level academic concepts (like
>    socio-technical ordering and epistemic community). Why not start with a
>    couple of examples of concrete technology discussions in the IETF and then
>    draw the connection to freedom of assembly? The ongoing discussion about
>    DNS encryption (both the pros in terms of privacy and cons in terms of
>    consolidation) being one example.
>
>    - Same for the methodology - maybe it is necessary to say a couple of
>    words about how process tracing works? In my own PhD thesis, I try to
>    always draw parallels between my methods and methods used in the IETF to
>    highlight both similarities and differences. For instance, could you draw a
>    parallel between process tracing and Internet measurement? That way the
>    text will speak more to its intended audience in the IETF/IRTF.
>
>    - The use of the word "significant" in the methodology reads a bit
>    confusing, as it implies a quant approach while you used a mostly qual
>    approach.
>
>    - This needs a citation: "Freedom of association and assembly refers
>    both to the individual right to join or leave a group and to the collective
>    right of a group to engage in a collective group and to organize itself.
>
>
> The draft makes for a good read but I wonder what you want people to gain
> from it because I think for this to be more actionable to IETF engineers it
> would make more sense to draw further connections to ongoing conversations.
>
> Hope this is helpful!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> --
> Corinne Cath - Speth
> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>
> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 4:29 AM Stéphane Couture <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just a quick notice. I quickly re-submitted a new revision of the draft,
>> because it was expired and the deadline for draft submission is tomorrow.
>> This one is only with minor revisions though. I'll try to come up with more
>> before IETF.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Stéphane Couture
>>
>> Le dim. 8 mars 2020 à 21:13, <[e-mail]> a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the Human Rights Protocol Considerations RG
>>> of the IRTF.
>>>
>>>         Title           : Freedom of Association on the Internet
>>>         Authors         : Niels ten Oever
>>>                           Gisela Perez de Acha
>>>                           Stéphane Couture
>>>                           Joseph Lorenzo Hall
>>>         Filename        : draft-irtf-hrpc-association-04.txt
>>>         Pages           : 25
>>>         Date            : 2020-03-08
>>>
>>> Abstract:
>>>    This document discuss the relationships between the Internet
>>>    architecture and the ability of people to exercise their right to
>>>    freedom of assembly and association online.  The Internet
>>>    increasingly mediates our lives, our relationships and our ability to
>>>    exercise our human rights.  As a forum, it provides a global public
>>>    space despite being built on predominantly private infrastructure.
>>>    Since Internet protocols play a central role in the management,
>>>    development and use of the Internet, the relation between protocols
>>>    and the aforementioned rights should be analyzed and any adverse
>>>    impacts should be mitigated.
>>>
>>>
>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-association/
>>>
>>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-association-04
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-hrpc-association-04
>>>
>>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-irtf-hrpc-association-04
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>>> submission
>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>>
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>>>
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> --
> Corinne Cath - Speth
> Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute
>
> Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath
> Email: [e-mail] & [e-mail]
> Twitter: @C_CS
>