Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-03.txt

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 11:14:15AM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Jul 08, 2019 at 06:42:59PM -0500, Juliana Guerra wrote:
> > Hello Niels, I've read your I-D and I can't say something else than I
> > think it's very interesting and you've synthesized very well the
> > previous versions. And I'm not sure if it is out of the draft scope, but
> > in ietf-lac (1) there is a recent (and also a long term, as I've seen)
> > discussion on lac community participation in IETF. Some of the issues
> > are:
> > 
> > - the possibility for lac community to publish RFCs
> > - meetings in Lac region
> > - participation fees
> 
> The discussion the above kicked off made me realise something I hadn't
> been able to put my finger on before, but that has probably been part
> of my concern about the way draft-irtf-hrpc-political has framed
> things all along.
> 
> There are actually two classes of claim in the draft, and they can be
> separated:
> 
> 	1.  The processes by which protocols get adopted are [at least
> 	partly] political.
> 
> 	2.  Protocols are [or are not] inherently political [or
> 	politically charged, or whatever].
> 
> It seems to me that there are a number of cases where the distinction
> between these two is not maintained rigorously, or else a necessary
> premise linking them (we could call it 1.5: "Anything that is adopted
> through a poltical process is itself political") is going unstated.
> 
> Section 4.5 is where this happens most strongly, because the move from
> the Postman claims to the points of DeNardis about the processes
> appears to be used to support proposition type 2 whereas DeNardis is
> actually arguing for 1.
> 

Section 4 solely documents positions that have been observed in the IETF, IRTF and couples them with academic literature on this topic. The draft is not judging the validity or consistency of these positions. 

Best,

Niels

> I don't know if I am alone in thinking this is not quite as explicit
> as it ought to be.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> A
> 
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Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-03.txt

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