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Re: [hrpc] [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 14 March 2019 00:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hrpc] [DNSOP] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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On Mar 12, 2019, at 2:52 PM, Paul Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote:
> please do not relegate discussions about the loss of operator control over the 
> RDNS control plane

Although it’s certainly true that DNS is used as a control plane by many operators, there is no standard “RDNS control plane.”   If you think there should be, that’s something that the IETF could conceivably work on, but it’s not something that the DoH working group is obligated to treat as a standard use of DNS.   And I don’t think it’s a topic on which there is consensus in the IETF.

The problem with the discussion we’ve been having about DoH and how it affects your “RDNS control plane” is that we’re talking past each other, not that the discussion should be had elsewhere.   It’s fine for there to be a discussion, but if there is going to be a discussion, participants need to engage constructively, and not just fling slogans at each other.

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