Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-03.txt

[Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>]

Ok, it’s fair enough to not have to cram everything in one draft.  I must admit my own concern about our self-selective tendencies, not simply because the disadvantage new entrants, but because it will limit our relevance over time.

Eliot

> On 12 Jul 2019, at 13:04, Niels ten Oever <[e-mail]> wrote:
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> Hi Elliot,
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> On 7/12/19 12:10 PM, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> Hi Niels
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>>> On 12 Jul 2019, at 11:26, Niels ten Oever <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>>> Many people in the IETF are convinced that the meetings are not intended to bring in new people, this actually has become an official non-goal in the meeting venue selection process per draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process and draft-krishnan-ietf-meeting-policy. The current consensus seems to be that participating in the IETF is not dependent of physical participation, but can also be done through mailinglists and remote tools.
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>> As the editor of draft-ietf-mtgvenue-iaoc-venue-selection-process, I don’t think you should shy away in your research from challenging that where, in your view, the IETF may have erred.
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> Don't worry, I will ;)
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>  Whatever consensus the IETF has can change based on well reasoned argument, and the IRTF is expected to provide that.  Maybe not immediately, and maybe not without other precipitating factors that either don’t exist today or are not yet readily apparent, but this is really the only way change happens.
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> I think the the issue of participation would benefit from its own draft. Ideally it could show several trends:
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> - consolidation
> 	-  total number of participants/draft authors/RFC authors/mailinglist contributors is affiliated to a low number of organizations
> - academic exodus
> 	- decreasing number of participants/draft authors/RFC authors/mailinglist contributors is affiliated with an academic institution
> - geographical representation
> - diversity
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> and seek to explain to the data and trends, and ideally also provide recommendations.
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> I do personally not think it would be helpful to add this to draft-irtf-hrpc-political, but it could indeed be a follow-up draft. I would be happy to support the writing of that with quantitative mailinglist analysis.
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> I could also imagine this being part of this draft though:
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-arkko-iab-internet-consolidation-02
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> Where it might have more impact than in hrpc.
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> Cheers,
> 
> Niels
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> 
>> Eliot
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> University of Amsterdam
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