Re: [hrpc] re history lessons
Sandra Braman <braman@tamu.edu> Mon, 03 May 2021 15:59 UTC
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From: Sandra Braman <braman@tamu.edu>
Date: Mon, 03 May 2021 10:59:03 -0500
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To: Gurshabad Grover <gurshabad@cis-india.org>
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] re history lessons
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Thanks yet again, Gurshabad. So not an undoable list of drafts (7), and only the one RFC, as of 5 months ago. Appreciated. On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 10:40 AM Gurshabad Grover <gurshabad@cis-india.org> wrote: > To my knowledge, all RFCs and I-Ds that have a human rights > considerations section (up until a while ago, at least) are listed here: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/IRTF-HRPC/reviews/blob/main/drafts_RFCs_with_HRCs.md__;!!KwNVnqRv!QL458dtCkoJWt0Gd3bE850O8FEeq61n9zhqLSRUEkrkgOMzP-81bK1e3iWZ9XQ$ > > (RFC8492 is the one that pokes fun at the section and links it to the > right to bear arms). > > -Gurshabad > > On 5/3/21 8:49 PM, Ted Lemon wrote: > > Which rfc is on the right to bear arms? > > > >> On May 3, 2021, at 11:16, Sandra Braman <braman@tamu.edu> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Appreciate this, Mallory. Our interpretations of the effects of > >> particular activities may reasonably differ, but you are also > >> assigning meaning to my comment that was not there. I did not say I > >> was discounting the code 451 effort, although you and I may disagree > >> regarding what the nature of its consequences are. > >> > >> I have so far looked only at RFCs for mention of 8280; there is just > >> the one. Would appreciate it if others could point me to Internet > >> drafts that do. Was fascinated to see that the only RFC mentioning > >> 8280 does so by focusing on the right to bear arms. > >> > >> I agree with you that it would be a great research project for someone > >> to analyze discussions of drafts that do mention human rights > >> considerations, and what the reasons were for not ultimately including > >> that section in documents ultimately published. Actually, that could > >> be useful as input into future HRPC efforts. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 9:53 AM Mallory Knodel <mknodel@cdt.org > >> <mailto:mknodel@cdt.org>> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Sandra, > >> > >> It would be incorrect to minimise the impact of RFC 8280 and HRPC > >> this way, Sandra. > >> > >> The fact that 451 isn't as technically implementable as authors > >> envisioned is orthogonal to its human rights considerations. It > >> shouldn't be discounted. > >> > >> I believe there are more RFCs and I-D that directly cite a human > >> rights consideration, but others might chime in on which > specifically. > >> > >> It also won't include the ways in which people engage in draft > >> reviews with human rights considerations influenced by RFC 8280. > >> Harder to measure, but still worth doing. > >> > >> -Mallory > >> > >> On 5/3/21 10:43 AM, Sandra Braman wrote: > >>> Point taken, Niels, re the archive -- have read most of it but > >>> will ensure it is all read and reviewed for its attention to this > >>> particular question; will return to the list if questions remain. > >>> > >>> Another, if I may -- It turns out, according to Mallory and > >>> others, code 451 has not actually been useful. What do members of > >>> this group make out of the fact that only one RFC since > >>> publication of 8280 has addressed human rights considerations, > >>> and that was the right to bear arms? Is it expected that > >>> publication of the guidelines document currently in progress will > >>> make a difference? Any advice regarding where I can turn for > >>> explanations of this? > >>> > >>> Thanks again -- > >>> > >>> Sandra > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> hrpc mailing list > >>> hrpc@irtf.org <mailto:hrpc@irtf.org> > >>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc__;!!KwNVnqRv!QL458dtCkoJWt0Gd3bE850O8FEeq61n9zhqLSRUEkrkgOMzP-81bK1cB2R513g$ > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc__;!!KwNVnqRv!Wn2KbOw-vOxRhfqX1jGrSQQ6XHuw-3vAOzK3FbU_cYLASdrjLliaZDyzmJ0Nsw$ > > > >> > >> -- > >> Mallory Knodel > >> CTO, Center for Democracy and Technology > >> gpg fingerprint :: E3EB 63E0 65A3 B240 BCD9 B071 0C32 A271 BD3C C780 > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> hrpc mailing list > >> hrpc@irtf.org > >> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc__;!!KwNVnqRv!QL458dtCkoJWt0Gd3bE850O8FEeq61n9zhqLSRUEkrkgOMzP-81bK1cB2R513g$ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hrpc mailing list > > hrpc@irtf.org > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/hrpc__;!!KwNVnqRv!QL458dtCkoJWt0Gd3bE850O8FEeq61n9zhqLSRUEkrkgOMzP-81bK1cB2R513g$ > > >
- [hrpc] re history lessons Sandra Braman
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Sandra Braman
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Ted Lemon
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Mallory Knodel
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Sandra Braman
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Gurshabad Grover
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Sandra Braman
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Colin Perkins
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Corinne Cath
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Eliot Lear
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Niels ten Oever
- Re: [hrpc] re history lessons Mallory Knodel