Re: [hrpc] HRPC recharter

[Jens Finkhaeuser <[e-mail]>]

Hi Andrew, others,

> But if policy-makers are having this forum advertised to them as a way to influence "the IETF" or a way to inject policy considerations into IETF procedures, that _is_ an issue (and is also politics by other means, I suppose, since that's been such a theme).

Agreed.

> I'd be interested in any examples you have of such advice that came from this RG.  In my actual job, of course, we provide such advice to policy-makers all the time, but we generally don't use RFCs to do so. Frankly, even the format of RFCs is sufficiently strange as to be fairly useless for such persuasion. And the "rough consensus of the RG" rule is kind of impossible to explain (it's possible, though not easy, for protocols.  But nobody I've tried to talk to about it has any understanding of what it means for a RG to have consensus on a research output.  This might be my fault, since _I_ don't understand it so have a hard time giving an account).

Rather than addressing each point individually and risk getting side-tracked in minutiae, take RFC8280 as an example. The information in this is about HR and technical means that may impact them. While it is aimed at protocol designers, the information within encompasses also (in parts) how *not* employing such means impact HR. That in turn is the kind of information that policy makers need, and are routinely advised on by yourself and others. So it should be possible to effectively turn around the direction of argumentation and produce a kind of reference document for advising policy makers. While that isn't really the purpose of an RFC, it can IMHO be made to fit, and is the mechanism we have.

If I read your comment as asking whether the new charter should prioritize this kind of work and/or whether it already does so effectively enough, then that leads back to the overall discussion, I think.

I hope that makes sense,
Jens

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