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Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Mon, 23 September 2019 11:57 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 07:57:19 -0400
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Subject: Re: [hrpc] I-D Action: draft-irtf-hrpc-political-05.txt
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On Sep 23, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> wrote:
> [Ted, I saw your note after putting most of this together.  Time has been explored… ad infinitum :-), but see below for some entertainment.]

I think it’s not only entertaining but useful.  I see obvious parallels between what happened with standard time and time zones, and what is happening now with Internet protocols.  I think it’s a useful analogy to explore when thinking about how to talk about politics from the perspective of internet protocols, since it gives us a model for how the history might unfold.

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