Re: [http-state] A non-string cookie API (was: non-ASCII cookie values)
Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> Tue, 09 February 2010 18:19 UTC
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From: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:20:26 -0800
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Subject: Re: [http-state] A non-string cookie API (was: non-ASCII cookie values)
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Done. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> wrote: > I think what you're suggesting is to make this advice non-normative, > which seems like a good idea. > > Adam > > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:24 AM, Dan Winship <dan.winship@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 02/02/2010 10:58 PM, Adam Barth wrote: >>>> (And likewise, the spec could recommend that web site >>>> frameworks/libraries SHOULD provide similar idiot-proof high-level >>>> cookie APIs, rather than expecting authors to generate valid Set-Cookie >>>> headers by themselves.) >>> >>> We can get input from long-time IETF folks, but my understanding is >>> that the spec should keep its normative requirements focused on >>> protocol messages. >> >> OK, maybe s/SHOULD/should/ then, but see below too. >> >> On 02/03/2010 02:42 AM, Daniel Stenberg wrote: >>> Don't we pretty much assume and wish for this for every spec and >>> protocol? I mean, we make a smaller set of libraries and frameworks for >>> everything that then a large amount of users can use. >>> >>> It is really the job of this spec to spell it out? >> >> It's advice based on past implementation experience. We know that lots >> of web site authors are going to generate invalid Set-Cookie headers if >> their APIs let them. So we should encourage framework authors to provide >> better APIs, because that means there will be more valid protocol >> messages going over the wire and fewer invalid ones. >> >> -- Dan >> >