Re: [http-state] Is this an omission in the parser rules of draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-21?

"Roy T. Fielding" <fielding@gbiv.com> Tue, 15 February 2011 23:55 UTC

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To: Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com>
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Subject: Re: [http-state] Is this an omission in the parser rules of draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-21?
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On Feb 15, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Adam Barth wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>; wrote:
>> On 15.02.2011 22:11, Adam Barth wrote:
>>> ...
>>> You really think we should recommend that servers use invalid UTF-8
>>> sequences as cookie-values?  That sounds like bad advice...
>>> ...

I am not recommending that they use invalid UTF-8 sequences.
The ABNF only tells the implementer what octets can be used
and what needs to be anticipated while parsing.  If I were
designing a new Cookie protocol, I would exclude the high bits,
but this is how the current Cookie protocol actually works in
practice.

>> Could you elaborate? Is there client code out there that assumes cookie
>> values to *be* UTF-8?
> 
> Regardless of what client code exist, surely servers are better off
> avoiding non-ASCII characters in their cookie values.  Using non-ASCII
> characters in HTTP headers is just asking for trouble.

It is irrelevant.  HTTP/1.x defined them as ISO-8859-1 and nothing
breaks by treating them as such.  This spec (and the Netscape spec)
defines them as an opaque array of data bytes and nothing breaks
by treating them as such.

I don't know of any implementation that would expect them to be
UTF-8.  I do know that attempting to use a UTF-8 string parser to
parse an HTTP data stream is a known security hole, so there is
no point in worrying about breaking those parsers any further
than they would already be broken (if any still exist -- J2SE
fixed their holes last year).

I don't have any objection to a sentence that says servers
SHOULD NOT send %x80-FF even though the grammar allows it.
But I don't see any need for it either given the apparent
interoperability shown by user agents.

....Roy