Re: [http-state] draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-05 posted

Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> Mon, 15 March 2010 16:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [http-state] draft-ietf-httpstate-cookie-05 posted
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On 15.03.2010 17:08, Adam Barth wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:54 AM, Yngve N. Pettersen (Developer Opera
> Software ASA)<yngve@opera.com>  wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:16:47 +0100, Daniel Stenberg<daniel@haxx.se>  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Mar 2010, Yngve N. Pettersen (Developer Opera Software ASA)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * cookie-name should not be allowed to start with "$". I would prefer a
>>>> MUST NOT, but a SHOULD NOT might be sufficient.
>>>
>>> Have anyone tried to check how common such cookie names are? And related:
>>> are there existing widely used cookie implementations where using a such a
>>> name cause problems?
>>
>> Our information from our 2008 MAMA<http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/mama/
>>> spider run of 3.5 million URLs found 60 URLs that set cookies with names
>> starting with $, but there were only 4 name variations, the largest group
>> apparently originating with a single web development company with offices in
>> North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, and websites for
>> companies/cities in that area.
>
> Hum...  That makes it sound like we shouldn't add a user agent
> requirement on this topic until phase 2.

Really?

It has been reserved, should be reserved, and seems to be only used 
*very* rarely...

Best regards, Julian