Re: [http-state] http-state charter

Adam Barth <ietf@adambarth.com> Fri, 31 July 2009 17:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [http-state] http-state charter
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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Dan Winship<dan.winship@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I understand things, we cannot do this as a revision to 2965, because
> 2965 is Standards Track, and this new document would have to be merely
> Informational, since we'd be documenting the existing lousy security
> model and violations of the HTTP spec in real-world cookies, and that
> would not be acceptable in a Standards Track protocol.
>
> So I think the goal should be to first produce an Informational RFC,
> describing real-world cookies, and then either (a) have 2965
> reclassified as historical, or (b) write a second RFC obsoleting 2965
> and providing a new profile of Cookie/Set-Cookie usage that is both
> acceptable to the IETF and compatible with existing usage. (So it would
> end up being a lot more like 2109 then 2965.)

This perspective seems somewhat unhelpful to implementors.  Perhaps
our efforts would be better spent in a community that values the
document we intend to produce.

Adam