[Http-well-known] Speculative registrations

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Thu, 19 July 2018 15:29 UTC

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Subject: [Http-well-known] Speculative registrations
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Question for folks ---

The registration request below is not unusual basically, someone has had an idea, written up a pseudo-spec (here, on GitHub), and requested registration.

Under both RFC5785 and the proposed bis, I don't think there are strong grounds for refusing this request. 

In particular, there is no evidence of deployment here, or even collaboration with others. Does that cause any discomfort? 

On the one hand, we want to be open and have a low bar for registration; on the other, speculative requests like this are likely to grow, and if there are too many (especially with overlapping or competing semantics), it can make the registry less useful. 

Any thoughts about this?

My inclination is to encourage collaboration / demonstrate at least interest in deployment before registration, but that would just be advice, not reason for refusal. I do wonder if we need a "provisional" status, with the understanding that if no deployment is demonstrated within (say) a year, it is de-registered.

Cheers,


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: matthew churcher <matt@churcher.me>;
> Subject: Request for well-known URI: anti-phishing.json
> Date: 17 July 2018 at 5:56:07 pm GMT-4
> To: wellknown-uri-review@ietf.org
> Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wellknown-uri-review/lCkGMjHVQsMdRLbCHJjbqUh5uuU>
> 
> URI suffix: 
> anti-phishing.json
> 
> Change controller: 
> Matthew Churcher <matt@churcher.me <mailto:matt@churcher.me>>
> 
> Specification document(s): https://github.com/SecureFrom/anti-phishing.json <https://github.com/SecureFrom/anti-phishing.json>
> 
> Related information: This is a new initiative which currently has no citations. I'm looking to provisionally secure a well-known uri in preparation to circulate a draft specification for wider discussion. Any comment is welcome via email or GitHub.
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