Port 80 deprecation

"Soni L." <fakedme+http@gmail.com> Wed, 02 June 2021 11:20 UTC

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So uh, with TLS-SRP around, there's no real reason to keep supporting
port 80, as every use-case supported by port 80 can be handled with
TLS-SRP instead.

In particular, LAN/embedded can be handled with TLS-SRP, with great
benefits:
- It's TLS, which, for browsers, makes it a secure context.
- Deprecating port 80 would free it up for other uses. There are only
65535 port numbers, but way more than 65535 applications that use them.
Not only that, but a single application may even use multiple ports!
- Actually encourages IoT devices to provide security by default.

Thoughts?